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Old 09-22-2009, 05:39 PM
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84 euro wagon

craigs list in my area-i think im crazy to even think about it.its a one owner bronze euro wagon with 122k,all record ,manual climate and sunroof,electric windows and mirrors,red cloth interior,third seat,cargo net,bars.they want 9k obo,i know this is crazy but you dont see them anymore with low mileage and one owner and records,ac works as well.i havent seen it you think im crazy-what do you think its worth.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:16 AM
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$4,500. MAX at least that would be the going rate here.
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Old 09-23-2009, 02:41 AM
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Could you post the link please.
If it is really tight and new like maybe, but that kind of price is usually for vehicles under 100k miles one owner etc, i have seen a 30k miles wagon go for 26k dollars but that wagon was really brand new like.

Here in California there are a good amount of low mile excellent condition one owner w123 wagons and sedans that you just cannot buy, i have been talking to their owners and these people for the most part will not sell their cars, i recently spoke with a little old lady driving a 84 300d in pristine condition, best i have ever seen, 84k miles ac etc, she said she would sell the car for what she paid in 84, so go figure.
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:48 AM
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If the car is really nice it may be worth something like that, but be sceptical of the mileage especially on a euro with us speedo as it has been changed.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:12 AM
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I would have it checked out very well before making an offer. It needs to be in very good mechanical and cosmetic condition for that price.
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:35 PM
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84 euro wagon here is link,i too think price is ridiculous
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:53 PM
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In the Bay Area, Calif. Craigslist listings, all of the W123 wagons are overpriced.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:05 PM
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Beautiful car. I love the color combo and short bumpers.
9k is pushing it though in todays market.
3 years ago, itd be sold.
IF it had complete service records, accurate mileage and nothing immediately wrong with it, I'd offer 5k, and see where it ends up.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:33 PM
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FWIW, my 1984 300TD Turbodiesel all-original euro-spec wagon sold in mid-2007 for 12K... but then again mine had a bunch of hard-to-find options as ordered from the factory in Bremen. Records since day one, including importation and it was not federalized with US-cosmetics neither. This was the same wagon I brought to the 2005 GTGs, I miss it but it's a collector's hands now being pampered.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rosenfe View Post here is link,i too think price is ridiculous
If it's actually in the advertised condition, I would probably pay $9, but I would start with a good pre-purchase inspection and deduct any estimated repair costs from my initial offer. I would probably start with an offer of about $7 minus any repairs required to make it correct. It's not worth paying for the inspection unless you are interested enough to pay $7-8.
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Old 09-23-2009, 03:44 PM
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84 euro follow up inspection

Hello everyone trying to buy a nice MB diesel car. I am posting this as a public service.
Yesterday afternoon I inspected and test drove the car described in the ad below. I am posting this summary inspection report because I value my time and do not like having it wasted. I am becoming increasingly cynical with age, but I still believe that most people try to be honest, even when selling car.
This is a 1984 Mercedes-Benz 300TD. It was originally configured for the European market and imported to the US as a used car. It has placards indicating that it has been federalized but appears to be missing its pollution control eguipment. It does have California plates with 2006 sticker. The body appears to be straight with no evidence of collision. The pain appears to be original and is badly sun damaged on the top surfaces. There are minor dents and dings. The hood star is worn. All of the paint on the grille frame star is gone Ė indicating exposure to sun and road erosion. The grille strips are all badly pitted indicating road erosion. The plastic grill is also reoded and sun damaged. All glass appears to original MB glass. The car has two two factory wheel and two aftermarket wheels. Front tires are new, back tires are worn. The newer tires should be put on the back of the car for safety reasons.
The interior is in very good condition except that the red carpet is faded and has bleached spots. The dash is uncracked. The instrument cluster gasket is tight. The AC did not come on. There is no cruise control. The rear hatch struts are worn out. No other body electrical or interior equipment was tested. The steering wheel wear is consistent with 120K miles.
The engine compartment is dusty and dirty. The transmission overload system has been defeated and the ALDA adjustment screw seal has been broken and the ALDA adjusted. This can only have been done buy an ignorant hacker in a misguided attempt to improve performance. There was very little piston blow-by hot or cold. The air cleaner supports are broken and the air pipe is loose. I did not check the engine serial number to see if it is the carís original engine. Both motor mounts are collapsed. The hydraulic fluid in the suspension reservoir is very dirty and contaminated.
I drove the car for about 3 miles. The engine makes full power but smokes grey at high load and high rpm indicating the need for a valve adjustment and good hard hot highway run. The transmission does have the well known rapid slip-shift issue. If the transmission is not already badly worn, this might be fixed by replacing the K1 spring, an easy and inexpensive repair. Or it may soon need a new transmission. The drive shaft thumps under power at slow speeds. This is almost always caused by the drive shaft center u-joint being worn out, and almost never caused by anything else. The car will need a new or rebuilt drive shaft. The brakes grind when applied. The brakes are soft. The steering gearbox is worn and could probably be adjusted to get the slack out of the steering. The temperature gauge read 100 degrees C. That is too hot.
After the drive I checked under the car and under the hood. I could feel no cool spots on the radiator so it is probably still OK. The too hot indication is probably a temperature sending device malfunction or a stuck thermostat ($10 part and easy fix either way). This car has been driven on salted roads. The lower control arms, rocker panesl and other bits of exposed steel are salt rusted. There is no good rust on a car, but this is not bad rust. The sheet metal will continue to deteriorate If not treated. Transmission mount is bad enough to replace. Lower ball joint covers are both broken, most steering linkage joint covers are broken. All control arm bushings look pretty good but should be properly inspected when the front end is torn apart for the ball joint replacement. The ball joints are on borrowed time. Exhaust system looks OK. Axel boots look OK. Rear shocks not leaking. Drive shaft carrier support bushing is broken. When the drive shaft is removed to fix this it will be evident that the shaft itself is bad.
I have inspected several hundred W123 deisel cars. This one is different because it looks in many ways like a car that has done 300K miles driving around California and Nevada. The father ans son team who are selling this car are obviously being deceptive. I can say this because the ad below was reposted after I inspected their car and told them everything I am telling you. They are car fanatics with more tools than most mechanics. They have a couple of classic cars in the garage. All records mileage records for this car gone. They were not able to produce one when asked. So the maintenance history is unknown, and the mileage can not be substantiated. I was told by the owner's adult son that the instrument cluster has never been out of the dash. I would bet anyone who cares to, that if the instrument cluster is removed, there will be evidence that the odometer/speedometer drive cable has been disconnected at some time.

This car is worth $1500 for sure. It could be worth $9,000 one day but it is entirely possible that if you bought this car and spent $7500 fixing it up that it would be worth $6500 when you were done.
The add below has many untruths that are probably lies.
If you have questions about this car, or any other MB diesel you can email me.
We are the original owners of this pristine Mercedes Benz 300tdt station wagon, Gold color with red cloth interior, there is just over 122k miles on her. The paint is original and the interior is not faded. The pictures may show that it is faded but that is because of the sun angle. The engine and trans are in great shape and donít slip or smoke. Fluids are always changed and maintence is up to date. We are the original owners, itís a European model which means a stronger engine. The engine does not smoke on take off or hard acceleration, it does not eat oil it does not leak oil, this is because it is well tuned. A/C and heater work. The body is in excellent shape as the pictures show. The interior is also in great shape it is a red cloth interior that is very supportive and wood grain panels. The windows and mirrors are powered as well as the locks. The car is not driven much and it is just started and taken around the block 2x a month. The car comes with a Blaunkpunt CD player, sunroof, dog net in the back, a cargo cover, a tow ball, and locking luggage/roof rack. NEEDS NOTHING. Turbo Diesel means no smog and is a great candidate for Bio Diesel. Asking price is 9000 obo.

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Old 09-23-2009, 03:56 PM
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Nice review rosnfe. You spent a lot of time on this, and obviously this car is NOT in the condition stated.
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Old 09-23-2009, 04:04 PM
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actually i didnt review it,a local guy mr diesel happened to post his inspection this morning.i spoke with seller and he is not interested in the info-as he said "somebody already offered me 6k".good lesson is to be very very careful and do not believe just about anything po says.
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