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Old 10-03-2009, 05:58 PM
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Help me understand this? What is being suggested is that we mix used motor oil with diesel fule and burn it together??? How much money is that really saving? Is it worth the potential of messing up an engine, injector pump, injectors??? I'm all for saving -- but what is the benefit. My owners manual says diesel fuel -- not anything else!

If the WMO is properly filtered, there is no danger for the fuel system. In fact, the IP's of the seventies and eighties were built before low sulfur diesel fuel and were damaged by low sulfur diesel fuel due to lack of lubricity. Properly filtered used motor oil adds the needed lubricity.

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Old 10-03-2009, 07:10 PM
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I do add ashless 2 cyc motor oil in my fuel.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:07 PM
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I'm a disabled Vet trying to work with a pain scale of 8 with pain meds.Wife an I raise 2 grandson's,and support my daughter,her husband her baby,and shes expecting. Tennessee programs count her food stamps as income.
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I do add ashless 2 cyc motor oil in my fuel.
I used that too to lube up this new diesel,when I can't find Marvel Oil.This is on long trips 1400 miles or more.It returns better mileage.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:18 PM
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I used that too to lube up this new diesel,when I can't find Marvel Oil.This is on long trips 1400 miles or more.It returns better mileage.
"Mystery Oil" is worse than nothing. It reduces lubricity. Use biodiesel or ashless 2-stroke oil if lubricity is what you are after.
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I'm a disabled Vet trying to work with a pain scale of 8 with pain meds.Wife an I raise 2 grandson's,and support my daughter,her husband her baby,and shes expecting. Tennessee programs count her food stamps as income.
They count food stamps as "income"? Wow that's obnoxious of them. Best of luck, makes perfect sense to burn waste oils with that kind of situation. I'd filter the heck out of that wmo though.
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:07 AM
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"Mystery Oil" is worse than nothing. It reduces lubricity. Use biodiesel or ashless 2-stroke oil if lubricity is what you are after.
Actuall there is a huge "Addatives" thread (I think it was called- "2-Stroke Anyone") that had to do with adding 2 stroke Oil as a Diesel Addative has a Chart where Spicer tested Addatives for to see which reduced Wear Scar.
Marvel Mystery Oil scored poorly but there was 2 or 3 addatives below it, and it was better then just Diesel Fuel.

I cannot remember the % (I am thinking it was 10% or something below that) amount but Biodiesel scored High in reducing Wear Scar.
2-stroke Oil did OK on the chart.
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The title of this post was "who burns used oil in there car here". I have done it and for over 20,000 miles. Nobody asked what the owners manual says or what they think should be burned for fuel. If fuel hits $4.00 I know that mixing 20 gallons of wmo with 30 gallons diesel saves me $80.00. My F250 cost me $4000.00 6 years ago and I have put 150,000 miles on it, if I get taught a lesson and screw something up then I will be more then happy to come on here and tell everyone how stupid it is. Fuel right now is cheap enough that I'm not gonna screw with it, also I cherry pick the oil. I only take oil from equipment with a history of very clean samples.
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:45 AM
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I think that is the point, diesel fuel is very cheap at the moment so there is no point burning anything else. Personally I wouldn't do it, but I can understand why some folks would try alternatives with $4, $5, or higher fuel prices. I also do not know where most people would obtain enough WMO to make a difference in their fuel costs. For example, I use about 1800 gallons of fuel per year; where would I find enough WMO to reduce my fuel costs?
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:45 AM
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Burning used engine oil or trans fluid etc... on purpose is a very irresponsible. That stuff is not meant for fuel use or burning in an engine...and the toxins and pollution you spew out into the air are enormously high compared to normal fuel. Saving the $5 of diesel every 5-6 months is not worth severe pollution and coking injectors. Recycle it properly and be a responsible citizen.
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Old 10-04-2009, 02:42 AM
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I've burned WMO that was filtered down to 1 micron. The mix was 5% WMO, 15% bio, and 80% off road diesel. The 5% WMO added just enough "color" to hide the red dye...

At 5% the amount of additional pollutants, smoke, etc. is so small as to be insignificant. Every gasser on the road produces more pollutants than what adding 5% WMO is going to add to your exhaust. And at 5% I have a hard time believing that it is enough to cause any engine issues. Especially after filtering down to 1 micron.
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Old 10-04-2009, 03:02 AM
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I've burned WMO that was filtered down to 1 micron. The mix was 5% WMO, 15% bio, and 80% off road diesel. The 5% WMO added just enough "color" to hide the red dye...

At 5% the amount of additional pollutants, smoke, etc. is so small as to be insignificant. Every gasser on the road produces more pollutants than what adding 5% WMO is going to add to your exhaust. And at 5% I have a hard time believing that it is enough to cause any engine issues. Especially after filtering down to 1 micron.
So you burn not only motor oil, but mix it with un-taxed (ILLEGAL) off road diesel? You, owe your state and fed's some tax $$! Stop cheating the system and pay for the fuel/taxes like everyone else. Breaking the law is not something to brag about/advertise.
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:54 AM
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So you burn not only motor oil, but mix it with un-taxed (ILLEGAL) off road diesel? You, owe your state and fed's some tax $$! Stop cheating the system and pay for the fuel/taxes like everyone else. Breaking the law is not something to brag about/advertise.

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Old 10-04-2009, 10:01 AM
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LMN,

You claimed that my statement indicating the the early IP's were built before the government mandated low sulphur diesel fuel and that the motor oil adds lubricity to the fuel was a FALSE statement. Which part are you claiming to be false?

When the first low sulphur mandate came about the clean rooms in the diesel shops got flooded with work due to lack of fuel lubricity. Are you claiming that adding oil to diesel fuel does not add lubricity?
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I don't think a few people clowning around with alternative fuel is going to ruin the planet. I like doing it and hearing about people doing it because its creative thinking. What ruins creative thinking is the people on the sidelines spending there time with the rest of the flock bad mouthing what a few are doing. Head over to the dieselstop.com, read the 6.4 diesel forums and find out how well the government and big business has done with there unlimited resources. People have to have more power and epa has to have clean air, so for a large sum of money you can buy a vehicle that tells you to keep driving(even if you don't want to) so it can clean its own exhaust filter. Also this vehicle gets about half the mileage as the same model 20 years ago. So whats better? cleaner exhaust and burn twice the fuel, or more smoke and burn half the fuel.

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