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Not starting. Fuel issue?
I pulled my 81 300SD into the garage this weekend to take care of a laundry list Ive been meaning to get to. One issue it was having was intemittently slowing down on the freeway. I chalked this up to clogged filter(s) So I replaced those. I also tightened some belts and checked the glow pugs by taking the wires off and checking resistance. Did some other stuff but they don't relate to my problem. OK so when all was said and done I prime the system with the primer pump and get in to start it up . It sputters a bit but does not run I continue to try and it just does not want to go. After many attempts I unplug the glow plugs and squirt some starting fluid up in there. This only slows down the cranking and does not show any signs of wanting to start. Today I went out there and loosened the banjo bolt at the IP and let my electric pump ( I put in the trunk) push the fuel through. it comes through fine. But still no starting. Today it doesn't even chug or sputter, just turns. Battery is strong. Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to get everything. Please help!!
Last edited by offalot; 10-06-2009 at 08:18 PM. |
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I am assuming you are running Diesel Fuel.
Loosen the Steel Fuel Injection Lines up by the Injectors. Crank the Engine until you see Fuel comming out of them (within reason, do not overheat your Starter). Tighten them and try to start. If you did not get Fuel up to the Injectors and it still is not starting I would suspect a restricted Fuel Tank Screen or Fuel Tank Vent (to check this drive without the Fuel Cap on). I would also get out my Ohm Meter and check you Glow Plugs to make sure they are all working as per the Diesel Giant web site pictorial. If still not getting Fuel up to the Injectors about the last things left are a problem with the Fuel Supply Pump and a possibility of a Air leak from somewhere like the Hand Primer. The fact that you have an Electric Fuel Pump hooked up makes me think you are using a alternative Fuel. If so that may be the cause of your restriction as the weather is getting colder and would increase the viscosity of those types of fuel.
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Just went out there #3 and 4 leaked out as soon as I cracked the nut. # 5 leaked out when crankiing # 1 and 2 dont show anything yet ( Gotta let the starter cool and battery recharge) I cleaned the fuel tank screen recently and it was quite clean. Keep in mind A. I drove it in the garage just fine and B. It would not start on ether. I checked the glow plugs, they are all around .5 Ohms. As I said I am really stumped with this one. I sure its just something stupid.
Oh and yeah I run Veg but haven't in the last 2 tankfulls |
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Can an IP grenade?
Try running from a secondary tank (like with diesel purge). Stop running VO for now. If you still have trouble, starting checking for air leaks.
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Have you checked for voltage at the glowplugs with the key in the glow position. You should fill up the secondary filter with fuel when replacing it.
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Yup put a test light on the plugs all good. Once all the filters where on I let the electric pump push fuel through to the Inj pump and it was nice clear golden diesel comming out, no traces of veg. Just tried a healther dose of ether again and it reved a lille faster and knocked of course but stopped as soon as I released the key. Man this is killin me.
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I you want to be SURE your glow plugs are working pull them out and hook up 12 volts to them, If they glow cherry red, there are working and VERY HOT!
Don't use anymore either/starting fluid, could go "BANG" and you will be more un-happy Is it possible you disconnected the vacuum line to the shut off by accident?
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That would be a good thing because then vacuum could not be shutting off the fuel to the IP.
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Yeah that's what I figured, I dealt with that a month or two ago, and it just ran. I did have my hands all around the linkage when I was getting to the glow pugs but it all looks intact. In between typing these I am going out there and trying little things and just cranking her for all she's got. If I had a co pilot I would be dragging it down the street, but its just me right now.
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Don`t use ether on these engines and especially with the glow Plugs on.
If you must use ether, disconnect the GP. I think you said you disconnected them in the first post. A better alternative would be WD-40. Giving the intake a large dose of Ether and then cranking on the starter, one or two of the cylinders is going to get more than the others and cause some damage. You have air in there someplace, until it is purged, I ain`t gonna start. When changing the spin on filter, fill it up then screw it on, save you a big headache. Charlie
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Intermittently slowing down on the freeway sounds like (if not a fuel restriction) air getting into the line somewhere. If it now does not want to start, it seems as if you exacerbated the problem somehow. First, make sure you have clear airways and a good filter. Next, retrace your steps on all the projects you have done since you parked it to work on it. When you loosened/disconnected things, did they go back as they were before? I am not familiar with differences between my models and yours, so if these questions don't apply - forgive me.
- Did you screw the primer pump back down after pumping? - Did you tighten down the bleed bolt after bleeding the air out? - Are you sure the filter is full of fuel? - Did you pop the stop valve out of the fuel filter housing and check the o-rings there? Is the stop valve open? Start simple and work you way up from there.
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OK hopefuly it is narrowed down. No more ether! I know it wasnt good, but desperate times. Now what is this stop valve you speak of? I put the filer on dry as I didnt have any clean diesel laying around, that might have been my problem but after priming it I unscrewed it and fuel started flowing out as soon as the bolt was loose so I figured it was full. Unfortuneately I gotta go to work now (50 miles in my dads gas guzzler truck for the past few days, OUCH) but hopefully Ill get to the bottom of this when I get home.
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Oh, sorry . . .never mind, it was near my bedtime!
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As oldwolf says, need to figure out why you aren't getting fuel through the 1 and 2 lines - what's going on there?
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