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Where I worked we had diffrent sized Music Wire on Coils and we would use it to clen out Injector Holes on Direct Injection Engines. The trick with the wire is to grind a Hypodermic Needle type point on the end (we hand a machine with a tiny extremely fine grinding wheel) You put the wire in a Pin Vise (shown in the FSM) and you carefully rotate the wire back and forth so it drills through the Carbon. After the Hole is open the Nozzle would go into the Ulatrasonic Tank. I believe the above would work on the Bosch Nozzles but I think if you do that Diesel Purge maybe every year or 2 that might alsoe keep them from plugging. A long with keeping the IP timed and the Valves adjusted.
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Without the Ball Pin there as in other types of Engines (Mercedes is the only one I know of that has anything like the Ball Pin in the precombustion chamber) the streaming Injector would produce much poorer combustion. That is why I said I believe having the Ball Pin allows Injectors that might be in poor condition to still be used.
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On average, how many attempts does it take to adjust the pop pressure on a single 617-type injector?
What would be a typical shop charge to service an injector? Last edited by tangofox007; 10-10-2009 at 10:53 AM. |
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After your Injectors are assembled you pop test them and write down the numbers and keep that number organized with the Injector it came from. You decide the Pop Pressure you want. You take the Injector apart and measure the Shim/Spacer. You use the estimate of from the FSM 0.50 shim/spacer change = 3 Bar of pressure change. You search your shim/spacer collection and see if you can find one that mesures to the amout of change you want. You put the shim in and pop test again. If it worked you can jump for joy and move on to the next Injector. More likely is that it did not work. The reason it did not work is that each Injector Spring has its own spring tension. A 1.0mm spacer may change 1 Injector spring 5 Bar and may only change another injector spring 2 bar. So you write down the new pop pressure and find the differance between that and the old pop pressure. Now you make a little formula for your Injector spring How much thickness got you how much pressure change. Now you calculate the next size shim you need and go looking again in your shim box collection for the newly calculated size you think you need. What you often find is that you have no shim that will give you the exact pressure you want. That is why the FSM has a 5 Bar allowble differance in the balance. Also your calculation for 1 Injector most likely will not work on the next you need to do it for each individual injector. While the callculation you make to pick the next size shim you need is helpful and necessary it is still mostly trial and error. So if you need to change a shim/spacer after the first pop test if you are really lucky you will take the Injector apart and pop test them 2-3 times. But it could be more times and each time the Injector is apart you risk getting somethin in it like dirt. Fuel Injection Shop Rates are too regional to comment on. You will need to call the shops in your area and ask them, By calling or Emailing they you would not feel pressure to have the work done there. If they try that just tell them the Injectors are still in the Engine and you need you Car right now.
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There is a way to calculate an "average." I am interesting in finding out how many attempts, on average, is required for a qualified person to adjust an injector.
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By FSM standards, a 1.0 mm shim change should change the pressure by 60 bar. Last edited by tangofox007; 10-10-2009 at 12:45 PM. |
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The other problem is that in Our Shop you took the Injectors apart and soaked them in Carburator cleaner. While that was going on you did something else (this makes it difficult to keep track of time). There might be several times when you would pause working on those Injectors to do something else. Also there are equipment issues. We had an automatic Lapping machine that would work on some of Injector Parts. Other parts of the Injector were lapped by hand. Doing it at home in my garage takes me longer than it did whe I worked in a Shop. Since I have owned my own Diesel Cars I have always rebuilt the Injectors myself so I have no Idea what shop charges. I could easily slip a decimal point or make other errors. In any event we have an Injector rebuilding thread some where that has more specific specs.
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I am going to say that a qualified and experienced Operator over a large number of Injectors would average between 2 and 3 attempts per Injector. A really good competition ready guy would do 2 or less.
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Shim Selection Guide mm Bar PSI 0.05 3 43.5 0.1 6 87 0.15 9 130.5 0.2 12 174 0.25 15 217.5 0.3 18 261 0.35 21 304.5 0.4 24 348 0.45 27 391.5 0.5 30 435 0.55 33 478.5 0.6 36 522 0.65 39 565.5
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Thanks; that is good info. What type of pressure tester did you use for your injectors?
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