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Old 11-23-2001, 11:17 PM
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I've got to agree with fryerpowered regarding the Mustang. I've got nothing personal against Ford (I even worked for them as co-op while in college) but I'd take my 19-year-old Benz over a new Mustang any day.

I recently had the chance to drive a friend's '99 Mustang; it was adequate around town but once up to highway speeds it felt like it would shake apart! The first time he rode in the 240D with me, he actually made a comment about how solid it felt at 75 MPH.

As for uphill climbs.. I'm glad I live in Florida, where the biggest hills around are the highway overpasses!

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Old 11-24-2001, 08:36 AM
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Hey Gang,

Hmmmm, Mustangs, we bought a new convertible in 89. It was my wifes car, mostly used on the highway, kept up with the oil changes & she drives like an old lady anyway...

The trans was rebuilt three times in the first six years and still isn't right. The motor died at 124K, at five years of age. what a disgrace.

The ride was ok for two people, put four in and it felt like you were sleigh riding, even when brand new.

That was the first and last Ford we'll ever buy.

Charles, we have a mountain to climb both ways (RT 15 in Sparta NJ), my 80 non turbo performs very well. If I'm doing 65 at the bottom, it'll drop to 55 at the top. My 82 turbo wagon does about the same, although I know it should be doing better. I had an 82 turbo sedan that was a rocket compared to all the rest I've owned, even when the head gasket was going it flew up that mountain. So I know my turbo wagon needs some tweaking.

A good way to tell if yours is "normal" is to test drive someone elses. See if there is a non turbo for sale in your area and go drive it. I warn you though, you might be too temped to buy another one.

With only 156K on yours, I would think its probibly running the way it should.

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Old 11-24-2001, 09:39 AM
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George C and I drive the same mountain daily

As a fellow northern NJ non-turbo owner, I to drive up/down the route 15 "mountain" twice daily. George, I can only get up to about 55MPH as I enter off of 517. It's a short on-ramp. With my new shocks I can take the on=ramp S curve pretty hard, but max out at 55 prior to taking the hill.

I used to drop down to about 45 MPH, but after changing fuel filters, I only drop to 50MPH.

On the return trip, I lose about 7 MPH going up the route 15 hill heading up to the Jefferson PathMark.

I stop in the McDonalds in Jefferson every morning at about 6:15-6:30 for a coffee. Stop in and I'll treat.

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Old 11-24-2001, 07:45 PM
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Maybe all is relative

Greetings All,

Maybe the 20mph drop in speed is relative to the amount of speed I can also gain going down the hill. If I'm doing 55 at the top going down, I'm easily cruising at 75mph by the time I level out at the bottom. I thought perhaps though that either injectors were perhaps not giving a good spray pattern or maybe I wasn't getting enough fuel even supplied to the injector. There always seems to be a large bubble in the prefilter, only the lower half has fuel in it. I also notice that the clear return line from the injection pump right at the filter tee will get about a four inch air space in it after shutting down for a half hour or so. Kind of wonder if the fuel isn't leaking back past the fuel pump check valve if that's possible. Any ideas on that on would also be great.

"Tell me and I will listen, Teach me and I will learn, Show me and I will accomplish, Involve me and I will succeed."
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Old 11-25-2001, 05:00 PM
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Congrats Rick!

Welcome to the TD family. I paid $5k for my 85 with 200K on it because I knew the guy (1st owner) who had owned it and babied it all these years. Had bugged him for last 5 years to sell it to me and he finally did. When I went to get it, the neighbor offered him $6k on the spot.
My manual sunroof is tough to open as well but I like the fact that it'll never have an electrical problem. The leveling stuff worries me but so far, so good.
Can't wait to see if it'll perform in the snow. We've put about 10k miles on it so far and its running great.

'84 300DT 298k (Aubrey's)
'99.5 Jetta TDI IV 251k (Julie's)
'97 Jetta TDI 127k (Amber's)
'97 Jetta TDI 186k (Matt's)
'96 Passat TDI 237k (Don's
'84 300D 211k Mint (Arne- Undergoing Greasecar Conversion)

'82 240D 229k (Matt's - Converted-300DT w/ 4 speed
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Old 11-26-2001, 09:22 PM
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Hey jim,

One of these days when I get an early start, you might see me there. I usually don't pass Mc D's till 6:50...

You probably see my wife once in a while though, shes driving one of the wagons.

Do you use your 77 as your daily driver? I do see a few other 123's out on the road in the morning chugging up Rt 15.

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