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Old 12-05-2009, 12:49 AM
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603 no power

My '87 SDL has developed a severe lack of power... to the point where the car is floored in drive with a cold engine, it won't move foward. The car is somewhat driveable after warming up for 5 to 10 minutes, but takes a long time to get from idle to 3000 RPM and it is not possible to start up hill. Power is at bit better past 3000 RPM and will go 70mph on a level highway, but it takes a long time to get to that 3000 RPM. (When cold, with the car in drive and floored, engine will not move past 900 RPM).

I've changed the both the inline and canister filters; lift pump delivers 9oz in 30 sec when measured via the return line. (spec is 5 oz). Car starts (both warm and cold) and idles w/o problem. I also bypassed the fuel T-stat with no change. Car has 93k miles. Also, this is likely the 1st time the car has ever seen temps below 30 F; not sure this is relevant. Problem came on over the course of a week driving 20 miles per day.

What should I look at next? I'm thinking fuel return valve at the injection pump. Other ideas? Thanks.

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Old 12-05-2009, 01:19 AM
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Well, I think my car has the same engine as you... I had some issues, and what was suggested to me was to Check the Turbo boost tube. Also I would check your air filter if you have not already. a Clogged one can bugger up a lot of things.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:20 AM
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Check that the overboost protection switchover valve and its associated small plastic lines are not blocked with soot.

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Old 12-05-2009, 01:44 AM
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Even if the overboost protection was malfunctioning, and the turbo was not working, the car should still easily move from a standing start, hot or cold. Sounds like a fueling issue, does the engine rev when in park in the situations where it won't move the car?
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Check for excessive backpressure by removing plug on exhaust manifold near #1 and #2 cylinders.
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Old 12-05-2009, 10:31 AM
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I'll check the exhaust backpressure today and report back.

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Check for excessive backpressure by removing plug on exhaust manifold near #1 and #2 cylinders.
My thoughts as well. It doesn't appear to be lack of fuel.
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:21 PM
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Hi Paul

What you describe is exactly what I had a while back.

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Old 12-05-2009, 12:32 PM
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trap oxidizer

Is one still fitted?
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:30 PM
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No trap on the car; just the catalyst thing installed with the recall.

Back pressure at 4000 RPM is about 18psi. Service manual seems to indicate 2 bar is OK, but that is in the manual section regarding the trap, so I don't know if that figure is relevant. 18PSI seems like it would be a problem to me. Thoughts?

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Back pressure at 4000 RPM is about 18psi. Service manual seems to indicate 2 bar is OK, but that is in the manual section regarding the trap, so I don't know if that figure is relevant. 18PSI seems like it would be a problem to me. Thoughts?

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If the vehicle is in your driveway, in Park, and is producing 18 psi @ 4000 rpm, you absolutely have an exhaust restriction. Remove the downpipe from the manifold and take it for a drive (ignore the noise).
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Ok. Exhaust is coming off tonight. Thanks.

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Old 12-06-2009, 12:00 AM
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I removed the exhaust downpipe; no change. Still can't get over 1000 RPM when the car is in drive. I also picked up some new fuel from a different station and pulled directly from the can w/o change. I'm stumped.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:19 PM
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Pinch the fuel return line from the filter to the fuel tank.

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Have you checked your throttle linkages?

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