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Old 12-11-2009, 12:39 AM
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May have another issue. The air is really only really hot on low fan speed. When I switch to high, the temp decreases. At idle, the air is warm at best.
Still sounds like the aux pump to me. Increased air flow (fan on high) with the same trickle of hot water through the heater core will result in air that doesn't get warmed up as much...

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Count your blessings you have a 123 body. I've changed out the aux pump on my 126 body (85 300SD) and it's a pain!! It's between the insulating wall of the engine and the firewall, UNDERNEATH the ABS electronic stuff and underneath the monovalve!! Very well hidden. Also, on 126 if the aux pump fails and seizes up, the electrical spike (amps? not sure) will very likely take out your climate control module in the dash. Had to replace that too!!
Place a one amp in line fuse to the Aux water pump, this will blow and same your CCU. It could also save your car from a more disasterous fire.

Nothing like an electrical fire under the dash. Look up the thread "I lost it all".

I picked up an inline fuse from West marine that is water tight.

There are a lot of threads on this up grade.

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Charlie,

I can see the aux pump clearly. ( i removed the air cleaner canister) Should I hear the pump running when the key is on? Right now I hear nothing. If it should run with the key on, how do I know it's the pump and not something else, say a fuse or relay?? How much antifreeze will I lose if I disconnect the hose?
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Old 12-12-2009, 08:04 PM
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Charlie,

I can see the aux pump clearly. ( i removed the air cleaner canister) Should I hear the pump running when the key is on? Right now I hear nothing. If it should run with the key on, how do I know it's the pump and not something else, say a fuse or relay?? How much antifreeze will I lose if I disconnect the hose?
If it isn't running it is probably siezed up. As I understand it there is no fuse in its supply line from the factory. That's why people recommend installing one.

If you want to take it out, keep the radiator cap on and have a short piece of pipe the right size handy. Loosen both clamps and make sure the hoses are not stuck on the pump. Then you should be able to remove the pump and replace it with the short piece of pipe pretty quickly without loosing too much coolant. You could also clamp the hose on each side of the pump between small blocks of wood using vise grips and then you wouldn't loose any.

I expect that with a siezed pump, replacing it with a piece of pipe will actually improve flow to the heater core and you'll get more heat. Not as much as with a working pump, but more than with a siezed pump blocking the flow.
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You can validate if the aux pump is seized by removing the plastic cap that covers the motor spindle, place the sharp end of your pocketknife against the shaft, you'll feel if it's rotating, or not. If it's not, check motor voltage at the connector. If you have to replace the pump, occassionally remove the little button cover to the shaft, as mentioned before, and dribble some ATF onto the bearing. Replace cap. I put a small qty of cotton in there, soak it with ATF, and renew it once a year.

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Old 12-14-2009, 08:57 AM
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I have NEVER had good heat in the SDL and am wondering if removing all the over engineered valves and pump and just letting the coolant run free from the engine would be worth the trouble? I replaced the valve and pump a few years back and now think i need a hotter t-stat now that i am living in a colder climate. When i park it after using it and come back after a short time, i get a short blast of hot air and then cool again! IT never mattered much in AZ but its been in the 20s here in NM at night and matters more.
I did this convert to a beemer once with an inline valve for summer driving and it worked fine.
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I have NEVER had good heat in the SDL and am wondering if removing all the over engineered valves and pump and just letting the coolant run free from the engine would be worth the trouble? I replaced the valve and pump a few years back and now think i need a hotter t-stat now that i am living in a colder climate. When i park it after using it and come back after a short time, i get a short blast of hot air and then cool again! IT never mattered much in AZ but its been in the 20s here in NM at night and matters more.
I did this convert to a beemer once with an inline valve for summer driving and it worked fine.
If you want your A/C to work in the summer, I would leave the complex plumbing - otherwise you will have a hot heater core all year.
Actually , the circuit is more complicated than that and I don't recall the circuit completely - I would not do it.
You have 4 connections on the monovalve (one for heated windshield) - 3 on the heater core - IIRC . Just bypassing the heated windshield as I did was complicated enough. You would have to replace or block off the hose to the head that has the windshield heater line built in - a - mess..
I don't recall the circuit well enough to even know that you would get heat.
EDIT- I don't think you will get heat for some time until the thermostat opens and that is the purpose of the aux. water pump - pumping water from the head until the engine/ head temp. is high enough for water to circulate without the aux. pump.
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You can validate if the aux pump is seized by removing the plastic cap that covers the motor spindle, place the sharp end of your pocketknife against the shaft, you'll feel if it's rotating, or not. If it's not, check motor voltage at the connector. If you have to replace the pump, occassionally remove the little button cover to the shaft, as mentioned before, and dribble some ATF onto the bearing. Replace cap. I put a small qty of cotton in there, soak it with ATF, and renew it once a year.

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I've determined that I in fact DO NOT have power at the connector. Any ideas as to what may be the cause?? (I ran a wire from the battery diectly to the aux pump plug and I can hear the pump working, so I know the pump is not frozen)
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Theres a swich somwhere behind the glove box that supplies that pump with power when below about 53 degrees. Im not sure where it is located though.

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