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Old 12-27-2009, 09:42 AM
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diesel swap?

I've got an 88 190e with 8v 4cyl gas burner and auto.

The engine is in poor shape and needs rebuilt, but I'd rather just swap in a diesel. Push come to shove, I have an Iseki, and a Perkins diesel that I could make work easy enough, but I'd like to keep it Mercedes.


OK, My questions....

1) is there a bolt in option (mechanical bolt in.... I know there's more to it)

2) if there is a bolt in option, would it be from a common vehicle for me? (south east US)

3) if there are multiple options, please list away (and lol, let's not get near the whole Standard Diesel idea)

4) would this donor's manual trans also be an easy swap for the current auto? (fitment of the actual trans and changing brake / clutch pedal setup)

What it comes down to is this car is in VERY good shape, save for the fact that it's previous owner decided that tons of steam coming from under the hood was no good reason to pull over
I want to fix the car and enjoy it, but I just don't need another gas burner right now and I'd get much more use out of it as a diesel.

Thanks,
Frank

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Old 12-27-2009, 02:22 PM
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my 603 is a relativity small Sized engine (length width wise) one of the similar engine should work. you would need the wiring harness, the computer and all the other bits you would need to make it work. I've read you may have to beef up the front end a little to support the extra weight of the motor, but I dont know the weights of them so I cant put anything more in on that. if you do it, take lots of pictures though. I'd be interested in seeing it
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:28 PM
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Engines out of the 190d will be optimal, that would be the om601 (4 cylinder, non-turbo) or the 602 (both non and turbo forms.) These engines came out of the 190e stablemates so it will be fairly bolt-in without to much additional work.

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Old 12-27-2009, 05:15 PM
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If they can fits a Cummins in a Mustang,go for it.You can get 600 hp and 1200ft lbs.Talk about blowing most benz's away.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:45 PM
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my 603 is a relativity small Sized engine (length width wise) one of the similar engine should work. you would need the wiring harness, the computer and all the other bits you would need to make it work. I've read you may have to beef up the front end a little to support the extra weight of the motor, but I dont know the weights of them so I cant put anything more in on that. if you do it, take lots of pictures though. I'd be interested in seeing it

TY, I'll look into the 603 as well umph'n up the suspension is no real big deal, but depending on the 601 and 602 options, I might go that way.

LOL about the pics, it's the plan but I often get well ahead of the camera and end up explaining things from pics of the finished work.
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:54 PM
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Engines out of the 190d will be optimal, that would be the om601 (4 cylinder, non-turbo) or the 602 (both non and turbo forms.) These engines came out of the 190e stablemates so it will be fairly bolt-in without to much additional work.

If you have unlimited time and money, try the 651

Currently looking into the 601, 602 and 603 per suggestions. Turbo v/s N/A really dun matter, in the end I'm most likely to boost any mechanical fuel diesel and always happy to take the challenge of a non mech. lol

I run a diesel / tractor shop so much of the needs are there. However, not too many Mercedes diesels lying around to pirate..... (lol accept the many Standard Diesels people keep bringing me for TO-30 and TO-35 tractors!)

That said, sounds like the 601 and 602 are what I'm looking for. LOL can't over look the 603 though.

LOL I WISH!!!!!!! IF I were going to get that far out, think Perkins 540 or dip sealed detroit 8v71TT. LOL
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Old 12-27-2009, 06:58 PM
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If they can fits a Cummins in a Mustang,go for it.You can get 600 hp and 1200ft lbs.Talk about blowing most benz's away.

LOL not much of a Cummins fan, but I do have 490 JD diesel (6cyl combine engine that would sit along the lines of the 350 cummins commercial engine) that will be going into my 73 f450 after the shop slows down late winter. She's capable of well over 1000hp and dyno breaking torque.

Maybe a lil more than I want for a get around car. LOL don't think the general's lost on me though
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Old 12-27-2009, 08:37 PM
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OK, after some research, I'm most interested in the 602, with the 601 being my second choice..... Regardless, I want to stick with IDI (mechanical injection) for simplicity.

Some questions:

Is my 190e 4cyl gas engine compartment largely different from the 5cyl diesel engine bay? IE: will I need to do some metal hacking?

I really do want to go manual trans, so is there a specific trans option you recommend?

Is the auto to manual pedal swap straight forward or do I need to do some fab work? (not a deal killer by any means).


assuming the 602 will fit well:

anything I need to look out for when sourcing this engine?

What all cars can I search for this engine (and trans)?

LOL more questions to come I'm sure.
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Old 12-27-2009, 11:41 PM
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The 190e diesel equivalent was a 190d 2.5 . It had the 2.5 ltr 5 cylinder 60x motor. Unless some one knows otherwise, it should fit reasonably easy. If it was me I would sell the 190e and buy a 190d 2.5 or do they call them 124 300d 2.5 over there?

Yup, I have a 871tt GM with a 6 speed Allison in an old scraper. It has some grunt, bit much for a 190e!! LOL
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:47 AM
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The 190e diesel equivalent was a 190d 2.5 . It had the 2.5 ltr 5 cylinder 60x motor. Unless some one knows otherwise, it should fit reasonably easy. If it was me I would sell the 190e and buy a 190d 2.5 or do they call them 124 300d 2.5 over there?

Yup, I have a 871tt GM with a 6 speed Allison in an old scraper. It has some grunt, bit much for a 190e!! LOL

Sadly it's almost impossible to find one in this kind of condition here so not much chance there, but more importantly my Daughter aint gonna let me get rid of this one. lol

I've been searching for a guide as to what cars would carry the 602 and I know it's just me searching poorly, but could someone guide me to a list of sorts? I'm not up on post mid 70s Mercedes.

Also where on a car would the engine ID be?

Thanks again,
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:05 PM
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still can't find an engine application chart
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Old 12-30-2009, 03:26 AM
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the engine ID should be on the left side of the block.

on the SDL, I have seen it on the L/F behind the first few injectors, but that may be the head ID numbers. what I have seen at PNP.

on the 617.952 more to the L/R side behind the injectors, but on the block.


Do you think this will help you any? http://www.ps2cho.net/downloads/MB%20CD/W124/Index/602_603index.html

does show what years used what engine. though is for the 124, but show what years used the 60x eng.
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602 engines

If memory serves the 602 engines came in 86-90 190Ds. I don't think you will get a 603 to fit without lots of custom work, no room for a rad at all!! Cheers Dan

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