A Diesel that runs on Ethanol ?
 

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Santa (a friend) gave me this for Christmas. Its a International UD6 It has 4 cylinders, 4 injectors, an updraft carbie, a magneto & 4 spark plugs, its direct injection (no glow plugs). A couple of years ago after an afternoon drinking beer, we started it on ethanol and ran it for a little while and then ran it over night on tallow (pigs fat) just for the hell of it. It started out its life in a dozer & then was used on a generator, finally it has been on a irrigation pump. It was just replaced with an old 240d motor.
I am going to give it to the local trade school. Some young apprentices can explain how come a diesel has spark plugs and a carburetor !!
Its older than many of us on here, I was told mid 1950's.
A candidate for WVO o Bio ? :D
Maybe some one can remember their father having one of these?
Maybe some one wants to explain?
Go on !!!:confused: :confused:

My grandpa's International TD-9 dozer was similar. Allegedly, batteries and starters weren't strong enough "back in the day," or would cost/weigh too much. You'd pull a lever to activate some sort of compression release, and start and warm it on gasoline. Once warm, slap the lever in to un-do the compression release and switch to pure diesel fuel/operation.

YMMV.

You got it in one !!

my dad was just talking about driving a tractor like that when he was a teenager. I love the way they got around problems back then. nothing a mechanical engineer couldn't figure out... no need for an electrical engineer... lol

There is a guy on youtube called DavesFarm, he has a Dozer with a similar setup. the Engine Starts on gas while it warms up to get the oil Circulating and warming up the block, then you shove a lever up which turns off the gas system and injects Diesel/Fuel oil into the engine and runs like that. There's a similar setup that uses what causes a Donkey engine to turn the engine over. that's all it's there for, the guy on youtube does a better explanation on how it works. Pretty cool

Nik,
I was told today that this model motor first came out in tractors in 1942. It does have a starter motor & will start on diesel in the summer but its more fun to start it on sparks. It also has a crank handle. I am not game to try that, i think it would have a kick like a #%^* bull.
No need for even a battery!! Your father may have a story or 2 about the magneto, I have been warned not to mess with it, they have a good spark.

Yeah, a magneto like that will knock flat. What's even worse is the ones for a distillate engine. That stuff is basically kerosene, and most tractors that burn it have dual plugs and massive magnetos. Touch a wire on one of those, and it'll mess you up pretty bad. Touch it with your other hand on the block, and chances are you won't be getting up.
My uncle had an old D9 with a 2cyl gas engine hanging off the side of it. It's a lot of load on it to get that old diesel spinning over.

thats what pony engines were for! they got the coolant warm and were stronger than any 6v motor of the day

When in the USAF many years ago i was in Korea on a mountain radio relay site and had two of those UD9 engines on generator sets,on the gasoline mode they were very low compression and probably would have been safe to crank by hand.When the weather was really cold they had to run on gasoline for quite a while to get warm enough to switch to diesel it did get really cold there, at times below 0 deg f + whatever the windchill factor might have been.Once started we ran them for four days straight with the shed closed up and kept the fuel drums in there to keep the fuel warm. The ones we had were labeled US Army Air Force which dates them to early WW2 so early 1940s sounds about right,i was there 1953-54.They we eventually replaced by 2 Delco gen sets that had 6-71 Detroits. Don

oldiesel,
I have a 8V71TT in a scraper. I was told that the 6-71 was used in patrol boats in WW2. The super chargers on the 2 stroke diesels makes them sound like they are screaming their heads off. I think they were used in buses for years as well.
I think the UD has some sort of lifter that holds the exhaust valves just off their seats when on petrol. Anyway the young blokes at trade school can do it up and work out how it can be duel fuel.
I also have an old Armstrong Siddeley single (about 1935). Its on a pump. We havent had enough rain to fill dams so it hasnt had much use lately. Once its warm it runs ok on filtered sump oil. Uses less than 10litres (3 US gal) a day. I have run it on all sorts of stuff. its direct injection and just thumps over.
Its a treat for grand-kids when they are here for a roast on a Sunday to see the old Armstrong run on the fat left over from the roast.

[QUOTE=layback40;2371615]oldiesel,
I have a 8V71TT in a scraper. I was told that the 6-71 was used in patrol boats in WW2. The super chargers on the 2 stroke diesels makes them sound like they are screaming their heads off. I think they were used in buses for years as well.
I think the UD has some sort of lifter that holds the exhaust valves just off their seats when on petrol. Anyway the young blokes at trade school can do it up and work out how it can be duel fuel.
I also have an old Armstrong Siddeley single (about 1935). Its on a pump. We havent had enough rain to fill dams so it hasnt had much use lately. Once its warm it runs ok on filtered sump oil. Uses less than 10litres (3 US gal) a day. I have run it on all sorts of stuff. its direct injection and just thumps over.
Its a treat for grand-kids when they are here for a roast on a Sunday to see the old Armstrong run on the fat left over from the roast.[/QUOTE

Hey Layback40. Amongst your earthmoving toys, any Terex's?

- Peter.

Peter,
I know a guy with 3x T14 twin power open bowl, they are painted green, ugly looking things, look like they belong in Mad Max. I have seen the 3 of them playing push-pull, can cut over 18" in one pass. Around 3,000hp between them !
The GM I mentioned is in an old WABCO 222, its as old as the hills, goes well.I have an old 111A as well, good for the kids to build sand castles with. We mainly use CAT's now. I think the military had a few Terex's down here years ago.

Wabco. Now that's a name I've not heard in years. Terex 72 series Front End Loaders have always been my favourite piece of machinery since I was a kid. Love the color, love the sound, love the shape. Ugly as a Rhino and apparently about as strong.

- Peter.