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compress ignite 09-01-2010 03:15 PM

'Cause...(Wait for It)
 
It's a German/Deutschland Startekinfo Link.

(They've probably got ALL Kinds of neat helpful info we never are allowed to access)

Billybob 09-01-2010 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluebird (Post 2536699)
I was not able to connect to the above link.

I fixed the link in was incomplete, should work now to a picture of the tool and it being used, good luck!

Billybob 09-01-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compress ignite (Post 2536702)
It's a German/Deutschland Startekinfo Link.

(They've probably got ALL Kinds of neat helpful info we never are allowed to access)

I don't know about that! But here's a link to the tool info site that's available and where you can start a search regarding an MB factory designated tool:


http://www.startekinfo.de/etools/

4x4_Welder 09-01-2010 04:45 PM

That looks like a really expensive tool to do a nearly once in a lifetime job.
Might be better off finding a large socket that fits, or even just use the old seal. As has been suggested, lining it up by eye works pretty well too.

Stretch 09-17-2010 04:00 PM

UPDATE:-

I've not seen this information on this forum before (disclaimer:- but that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't here) so I thought I'd add the thoughts of this engine builder I've pumping for information.

This is regarding the rear crankshaft seal NOT THE FRONT ONE but nevertheless may be of interest to some...

According to this guy if the REAR crankshaft seal is incorrectly fitted a lot of heat can get build up that can speed the failure of the main bearing closest to the REAR crankshaft seal.

For rebuilding my engine (that I'm now about to embark upon) I have been told to carry out the following procedure for fitting a rear crankshaft seal.

1) Before you start with the seal - fit the crankshaft and tighten the mounts (make 'em tight but don't go as far as torquing them) and make sure that the crankshaft spins freely. Remove crankshaft and remember how freely it span.

2) Once you are ready to fit the seal - lubricate and place a new seal in block and do the "usual" trick with a hammer handle to gently push the seal into position

3) Cut the ends slightly proud and then with a punch tap these ends flush

4) Now refit the crankshaft - torque as specified - and make sure that that it spins as freely as before.

5) Repeat the necessary steps above to make sure that the rear crankshaft seal on the upper oil pan isn't restrictive.

It seems like a good plan to me. Anyone got any comments?

Billybob 09-17-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Army (Post 2546544)
UPDATE:-

I've not seen this information on this forum before (disclaimer:- but that doesn't necessarily mean it isn't here) so I thought I'd add the thoughts of this engine builder I've pumping for information.

This is regarding the rear crankshaft seal NOT THE FRONT ONE but nevertheless may be of interest to some...

According to this guy if the REAR crankshaft seal is incorrectly fitted a lot of heat can get build up that can speed the failure of the main bearing closest to the REAR crankshaft seal.

For rebuilding my engine (that I'm now about to embark upon) I have been told to carry out the following procedure for fitting a rear crankshaft seal.

1) Before you start with the seal - fit the crankshaft and tighten the mounts (make 'em tight but don't go as far as torquing them) and make sure that the crankshaft spins freely. Remove crankshaft and remember how freely it span.

2) Once you are ready to fit the seal - lubricate and place a new seal in block and do the "usual" trick with a hammer handle to gently push the seal into position

3) Cut the ends slightly proud and then with a punch tap these ends flush

4) Now refit the crankshaft - torque as specified - and make sure that that it spins as freely as before.

5) Repeat the necessary steps above to make sure that the rear crankshaft seal on the upper oil pan isn't restrictive.

It seems like a good plan to me. Anyone got any comments?

So the plan is to fit things together without torquing to spec, observe and "remember" something, then install something that inparts friction, torque things to spec, then observe and compare to a "remembered" prior observation of something under different circumstances? And if not reconciled, repeating that procedure until you've convinced yourself things are correct!?

I suspect the heating bearing damage to be complete BS, and I'd follow the FSM rather than someone who came up with that. MB engineers are not perfect but you've got to give them some credit where credit is due and assume that they at bthe very least have considered the obvious when designing these systems and maintaining them.

Stretch 09-18-2010 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billybob (Post 2546552)
So the plan is to fit things together without torquing to spec, observe and "remember" something, then install something that inparts friction, torque things to spec, then observe and compare to a "remembered" prior observation of something under different circumstances? And if not reconciled, repeating that procedure until you've convinced yourself things are correct!?

I suspect the heating bearing damage to be complete BS, and I'd follow the FSM rather than someone who came up with that. MB engineers are not perfect but you've got to give them some credit where credit is due and assume that they at bthe very least have considered the obvious when designing these systems and maintaining them.

Hmm you have a point with regards to the FSM that is always the safest way to go. However, sometimes you come across someone who obviously has a lot of experience and seems to be as honest as the day is long who - in albeit a long winded way - tells you to be extra careful about fitting a certain part... it kind of makes you think. Doesn't it?

Has anyone ever stumbled upon this sort of main bearing overheating problem before?


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