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Old 08-09-2010, 09:16 AM
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Ok, I've tried all of the above. All the are bubbles are out and still no dice. It looks like I have the dreaded cracked head based on other research. So, the car is up for sale as a whole to start with. Thanks for all the good advice.

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Old 08-09-2010, 09:55 AM
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Sorry it has gotten you to this point, but I clearly understand your frustration.
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I have been driving my 240D without a thermostat almost 10 years.

About 10 years ago I bought a complete engine from the dealer and replaced my old motor on my 240D 77. Shortly thereafter a big chunk of rust that was stuck somewhere in the remanufactured motor came loose and filled the cooling system, the coolant was dark brown in color. At any rate the mechanic suggested that I replace the radiator, change the thermostat and clean up the mess. It was all done except that the new thermostat refused to open no matter what, they burped and did all the tricks, nothing helped, I finally told the shop to remove the thermostat, it all started to work fine without one.

It has been almost ten years without a thermostat and since I live in Houston where summers last 9 months not having a thermostat keeps the engine a bit cooler. In the winters I put a little cardboard in front of the radiator to help with the heat, everything works just fine.

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Old 08-09-2010, 11:09 AM
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So, the car is up for sale as a whole to start with. Thanks for all the good advice.
A whole parts car???
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Ok, I've tried all of the above. All the are bubbles are out and still no dice. It looks like I have the dreaded cracked head based on other research. So, the car is up for sale as a whole to start with. Thanks for all the good advice.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=2521938#post2521938
Was there a "smoking gun" that brought you to this conclusion? Since joining this forum, it seems like there have been several threads with engines getting hot and virtually every part associated with cooling is replaced, yet the problem goes unsolved. If I had the money, I'd buy it and replace the head, BECAUSE NOW, I JUST WANNA KNOW!!!
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:29 PM
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Check out this thread:

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w124/352160-1987-300d-turbo-overheating.html

It sounds like a pressure test wouldn't even give conclusive evidence because the crack may not open up until the car gets hot.

Basically, by the elimination of all other factors I've finally decided that this is the most likely given problems these heads have. My brother owned the car previously and when the water pump failed, the car overheated. That's probably when the head cracked.
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:34 PM
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Since joining this forum, it seems like there have been several threads with engines getting hot and virtually every part associated with cooling is replaced, yet the problem goes unsolved.
That would be, in many cases, because no problem existed in the first place. Except that too many folks have the very mistaken notion that their engines should run at 80 degrees C while sitting in stop-and-go traffic on a 100 degree F day with the a/c running.
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So I just installed a brand new radiator and took it for a drive. SAME EXACT PROBLEM. top and bottom hoses are hot and slightly firm. The radiator is warm on the extreme ends and cold in the middle. How is it possible to have no flow with a new radiator, water pump, and no thermostat?
OK, backing up in the thread a bit, just one more question...would this happen to be a Behr radiator?
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:03 PM
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How is it possible to have no flow with a new radiator, water pump, and no thermostat?
You might want to study up on the operation of a bypass thermostat. Then you might understand the reduced flow to the radiator. (Operating without a bypass thermostat is a totally different concept than operating without a conventional thermostat.)
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:35 PM
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yes. Behr.

I'll look into the thermostat issue but right now it seems like i'm getting plenty of flow. The radiator is hot. It took a lot of bleeding of air out of the system to finally get this. What happens now is that I can drive it around indefinitely at low load situations but as soon as I take it up a steep hill or on the highway it hits 90 degrees or so and then shoots straight up to 120.
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Old 08-09-2010, 03:57 PM
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yes. Behr.

I'll look into the thermostat issue but right now it seems like i'm getting plenty of flow. The radiator is hot. It took a lot of bleeding of air out of the system to finally get this. What happens now is that I can drive it around indefinitely at low load situations but as soon as I take it up a steep hill or on the highway it hits 90 degrees or so and then shoots straight up to 120.
The reason I ask is that all the recent posts about engines getting too hot have all included the replacement of the radiator with Behr ones because they are OEM. One poster even said the overheating got WORSE after the replacement IIRC.
So, since the neck on my radiator recently broke off, I have ordered another. I considered a Behr, but of the places that carried them I checked, they seemed somewhat generic. The description would say something along the lines of "W124 diesels, all models" whereas the description for the Nissens stated specifically "OM603 equipped W124 models" with 3 row core. Since the price was about the same, I opted for the Nissens since everybody else had tried the Behr units and the Nissens was so specific. It may have nothing to do with your problem, but I'm tempted to bring you my new one when it arrives for you to try to see if it helps, if you wanted to do something like that.

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