He must've been looking at the nose of the caravan when he said 60, ...

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yeah. I'd love to see the pics of the caravan...

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"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

It seems to me that the mass of the two vehicles has a lot to do with it. If you have two 300SD's in a head on, each will absorb equal energy, as they are the same mass. So I can go with the analysis that it would be equal to one SD hitting a wall. (May this never happen to any of our cherished Benzes.)

Now, to use an extreme example to make a point, suppose you have a Smart Car in a head on at 60 mph with with a cement truck. The Smart Car will end up going in the opposite direction, that is, backwards, at the instant after impact. So it will be a greater force to the Smart Car than hitting a wall at 60.

The cement truck driver, if he was on his cell phone or sneezing at the time of impact, I suppose may only think he hit a deer or raccoon.

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When you hit a wall at 50 mph it pushes back with the same energy as another car exactly like yours moving at 50 mph, otherwise the wall would move.

-J

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2014 Cadillac ELR
2013 Fiat 500E.

RML is correct, the kinetic energy of each vehicle is (m*v^2)/2. After the collision, all that energy will be conserved, either as the continued motion of one or both vehicles or as damage (absorbed energy) to one or both vehicles. If the vehicles are of different masses and/or traveling at different speeds, one may absorb more or less energy than it contributes.

Yes.

Don't confuse the guy with facts.

Precisely.

The only way the car "doing 60 mph" did that little of damage, was if the beer/cigar car was doing 60+ mph.

Max. impact looks more like 30 mph OR LESS.

The beer and cigars seemed to have gotten lost in this story.

I remember a science teacher when I was in the 8th grade (1958) telling us this same thing. when you push on a wall, the wall pushes back with the same amount of resistance, until it is over come with the greater force. (or something like that, loooooong time ago).


SOOOOOOOOOO, do we have any takers here to do some high speed tests?
Head on with 2 W123, or W126. Head on into a wall, etc.......... then see what the out come will be.
Also all depends on the amount of structural rust, if one is rusty and the other isn`t to the amount of damage.

How about a head on with a Smart car and a 126? either way here, the Smart car might survive, the driver wont. the W126 will fare better.


Any way, it sucks you got hit, at least you were not hurt, and the Cigars and beer didn`t get damaged.
Once you get in there checking the damage, hope it isn`t as bad as it looks and get her back on the road.

Charlie

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We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

Not a W126, but close enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02eghIfyHP0

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sooo does that prove anything?
mass/inertia is transferred into the smart... unequal masses. would it bounce and flip if it hit a wall?

the cigars survived the beer not so much out only 9 out of 24 , like I said the cop said 90-100. All I care about is that we all walked away without injury. It sucks for the other guy he didn't have his seat belt on, no insurance, expired sticker, speeding and his van is totaled unfortunately the cop wouldn't let me take pictures of the other guys car.

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Whaaat!!!! cop would not let you properly document the accident? methinks any lawyer worth his salt would seriously attack that mentality!!!
cop should protect you from taking pics of the driver, but not of the accident damage, including the damage to the other vehicle.
how are you going to show serious mental anguish and personal injury with only the damage from your superb vehicle as examples?

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Find out where his vehicle was taken and go there and get pics.

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1982 300D 202K
1989 300E 125K
1992 940T

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You can address collisions with the conservation of momentum. The momentum of a system does not change through the process of a collision. From this you can also say that the velocity of the center of mass of the system does not change through the collision process. (ideally speaking. In reality, you have braking, skidding, etc. that affect the velocity & momentum.

Consider 2 cars, moving in opposite directions.

Equal mass:
Momentum of A = Ma * Va = 2000 kg * 50 m/sec = 100000 kg *m/sec
Momentum of B = Mb * Vb = 2000 kg * -50m/sec (opposite direction, equal speed) = -100000 kg * m/sec

The momentum of the system = (100000 -100000 ) kg * m/sec = 0

Unequal mass, equal & opposite speed:
Momentum of A = Ma * Va = 2000 kg * 50 m/sec = 10000 kg * m/sec
Momentum of B = Mb * Vb = 1000 kg * -50 m/sec = -50000 kg * m/sec

Total momentum, before & after collision of the system:
(100000-50000) m/sec = 50000 kg *m/sec

Velocity of the system = momentum / mass

velocity = 50000 (kg m*/sec)/3000 kg = 16.7 m/sec

Velocity change for the heavy car = (50 - 16.7) m/sec = 33 m/sec
Velocity change for the light car = (-50-16.7) m/sec) = 66.7 m/sec

So in this case it hurts to be in the small car.

This neglects so many aspects of a collision, but fundamentally conservation of momentum applies.

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