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Old 07-28-2010, 01:14 PM
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W124 Tachometer Signal Injection

Say I wanted to simulate on the bench an engine speed and compare it to the tachometer reading.

Would I need to inject the 144 Pulses x RPM? And what are the Voltage and Pulse Width needed?

I am not building a test bench myself but trying to gather information for someone wanting to do this.

Thanks to dieseldiehard for the following quote:

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Welcome to the world of EDS (Electronic Diesel System - not to be confused with the company started by Ross Perot )

the sensor (L3) that generates the tach pulses is located at the flywheel, unlike the earlier 617 engines which used a magnetic pick up at the crank damper on the front of those engines.
The 124 diesels use the ring gear (where the starter motor engages during starting) to send 144 individual pulses per revolution to the EDS module.
The interconnecting cable goes to the sensor located at the rear of the oil pan, left side. I believe it is near the ground wire that connects the engine to the frame. Look for a damaged or loose sensor.
The EDS module's primary function is to hold the idle speed at the set point value. I am pretty certain it also feeds the tach gauge eventually.

Perform a check using the EDS idle speed adjust switch. If you remove the trim plug the engine should idle down to about 570 RPM. It should be set to 630 RPM +/- 20 RPM with the trim plug. If that is working then the sensor is ok and the next route that you would trace is the AC compressor unit (N6) unfortunately that's where my experience stops

Note that I speak from experience with 603 turbos, so I hope your engine is similar. Things may be different. A FSM is helpful if you are going to work on your car because it will also include a wiring diagram. The 124 is entirely different from earlier diesels and you can't wire directly from the gauge to the sensor.

I've never seen a NA '87 diesel. Is it a grey market car? Automatic or stick (just curious, a 5-speed behind a NA 6 cyl diesel would be sweet!)


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Old 08-15-2010, 12:02 PM
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I used my Fluke to measure the frequency of the green wire today at idle. I got 1.610 kHz. The red wire (Voltage) was 13.64 VDC.

Has anyone else taken this measurement? Care to share?
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:26 PM
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I will put a scope on the tach signal, see what I get. In the meantime, 1610 Hz divided by 144 is 11.18 RPS or 671 RPM which is reasonable for an OM603 at idle.

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Old 08-15-2010, 02:55 PM
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Thanks Jeremy. I have a 602 btw, but I suppose the signal should be the same.
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Old 08-15-2010, 02:59 PM
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Oldwolf, I checked your fuel mileage link. Your mileage is falling off the chart! Using the AC more these days?

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Old 08-15-2010, 03:45 PM
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It's been really hot here in Raleigh so the A/C has taken it's toll. Plus I had my instrument cluster worked on and the guy put 100 miles on my cluster when on his test bench. AND to top off all the other issues, I filled my last tank at a new station, the concrete pad with the dispensers were on a slant, so I didn't fill my tank totally last time (I thought my fuel gage was bad but it isn't I found out today). So all these errors accumulated to today's sucky mpg calc of 28 mpg. Hopefully soon the mpg will be back up to 32+.
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Old 08-29-2010, 02:05 PM
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I will put a scope on the tach signal, see what I get. In the meantime, 1610 Hz divided by 144 is 11.18 RPS or 671 RPM which is reasonable for an OM603 at idle.

Jeremy
Hi Jeremy. I'm still battling my dead tach.

The tach/clock module is removed from the instrument cluster.

I tested the tach/clock module just now by connecting the module to the clock power and the tach signal/power plug. Ground was a set of alligator clips from the metal back to exposed metal behind where the cluster sits.

Clock is running fine. I'll check it in about an hour or so to reconfirm.

Tach is still dead. I checked signal and V on the solder joints of the back end of the connector plug.
At idle:
VDC=12.6
Signal=1660 Hz
VAC of Signal=3.6. Would this be how I'd know if the signal is weak? Any idea what the normal VAC would be? What would casuse a "weak" signal anyway?

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