HOLY!!! I got pulled over in NC to dip my tank! - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

thayer · #46 08-05-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by funola

Sounds like the wild wild west!

What about pre-menstruating women, teenagers and younger? Do they carry 22's?

We don't let the children play with guns.

You can make all the pms jokes you want. I like my boys where they are.

the first gun my grandfather gave me was a nickel plated 25cal ladies pistol. I was 14. They don't make it anymore so it stays in the box.

funola · #47 08-05-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by winmutt

Never will I let a cop search my car without a warrant or probable cause. Just because he makes 35k a year and has a badge does not give him the right to snoop through my crap. By letting them search your car you are opening yourself up to victimization.

That tactic will land you in jail. They will come up (make up) with a reason to bust you. Make sure you have a video camera rolling when it happens because it's his word against yours and the courts will most likely side with the cop.

vstech · #48 08-05-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

lol, this thread is funny. Whats the reason vstech is carrying a chambered handgun? Is it job related or choice related?
I routinely carry several laptops, many hundreds of $$ in cash, and THOUSANDS of dollars worth of a/c equipment in the car...
You guys are forgetting the order of things the cop did. I doubt at all that the cop pulled the car over because it was a diesel. Maybe it was a wisp of smoke, or slightly louder, or something about the car that attracted his attention. Ive been pulled over because the cop noticed I had a low tire for petes sake.
He approaches the car, the driver stares at him all the way up to the window as vstech stated, then turns out to be carrying a loaded handgun!
Yes, he has a permit, but now the cop is interested.

If I were the cop, I would certainly have done the same thing, taken the gun, run the numbers.

Maybe in the cop car as he checks out the gun, he also runs the plates and then he then notices its a diesel, so decides since he's there hes gonna dip the tank. I think the wild card here is the handgun, that made the whole thing change from routine stop for one reason or another to a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. I bet you that the handgun specifically made the cop think about looking harder at the car, not the cop pulled him over because it was a diesel.
nope, first thing the cop did before I got out of the car was tell me about the program and dip my tank, after that passed was when he asked for my license and when he got the permit, he asked for the gun and took it to check my info!
I find nothing exceptional about this situation, If I owned a gun, and carried it like that, I would expect it to be run by the police, and vstech did the right thing by immediately stating he had one in the car and that it was loaded.

(yes yes, and all you pro handgun people calm down, there is no disputing that an armed motorist represents a potential danger to the police officer and other people. With that fact, he has every right in the world to run the handgun serial number.)

I highly doubt that a legally armed motorist poses any threat to an officer of the law. it's all the illegally armed motorists that are the threat. and if only ALL drivers were required to pass the CCP test the cops would not even be necessary!

funola · #49 08-05-2010, 11:28 AM

John, did the cop chamber the gun before handing it back?

vstech · #50 08-05-2010, 11:33 AM

no. he handed me the single slug, and the clip and asked me not to chamber or load the handgun until after he was on the road. I just dropped the clip/slug into a pocket in my bag, and the pistol into another pocket, and drove off.

funola · #51 08-05-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vstech

no. he handed me the single slug, and the clip and asked me not to chamber or load the handgun until after he was on the road. I just dropped the clip/slug into a pocket in my bag, and the pistol into another pocket, and drove off.

Man, that cop's paranoid!

winmutt · #52 08-05-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by funola

That tactic will land you in jail.

Never been there before when I didnt deserve it.

#53 08-05-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by vstech

I highly doubt that a legally armed motorist poses any threat to an officer of the law. it's all the illegally armed motorists that are the threat. and if only ALL drivers were required to pass the CCP test the cops would not even be necessary!

If I was a cop, I would be nervous stopping someone I knew to be armed, regardless of what little card he happened to be carrying. I'm sure the cops understand exactly how "rigorous" the CCP process is.

JB3 · #54 08-05-2010, 12:02 PM

Interesting about the order then, maybe he just liked the car as said before! Perhaps it was a change of scenery over constantly dipping trucks.

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Originally Posted by vstech

I highly doubt that a legally armed motorist poses any threat to an officer of the law. it's all the illegally armed motorists that are the threat. and if only ALL drivers were required to pass the CCP test the cops would not even be necessary!

How is the cop supposed to tell if you are an illegally armed or legally armed motorist, or maybe a legally armed motorist with an illegal gun, or an unhinged legally armed motorist? Every combination, you still have a loaded firearm, and he still has to worry about it. Just the presence of a firearm makes the situation life or death. The fact that you have one to defend you A/C equipment tells me that you intend to use it to do so, so if I were a cop, I would assume that you were dangerous, no matter what card you showed me.
This sounds like a version of the NRA line- "if guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns". Personally, while I have no problem with hunting equipment, I have no use for handguns.

When the Right to bear arms was drafted, there were 2.5 million people in all the USA, no there is 5 times that in NYC alone. Made great sense then, but that was a long time ago.

The cop would be risking his own life by assuming you were safe with that gun.

vstech · #55 08-05-2010, 12:13 PM

I think this thread is dipping into OD territory, but the "little card" I carry and the "rigorous" test I took to get it includes a background check and verifies I have committed no crimes of violence or felony, also the vehicles I drive are all tagged by the dmv showing I am carrying a permit. so before they pull me over, if they have run my tag, they know I have the permit. that's one of the things of the test. you have to present your license with your permit. it also teaches you that in NC you are not allowed to use your firearm for anything but defense of bodily harm.
not to protect your property,
not to scare off bad guys.
not to enforce any opinion you have.
ONLY to protect your or anothers LIFE.

thayer · #56 08-05-2010, 12:22 PM

[QUOTE=vstech;2519227]
not to protect your property,
not to scare off bad guys.[QUOTE]

This is not commonly known. I was suprised when they said I couldn't protect my property.

jonbobshinigin · #57 08-05-2010, 12:22 PM

The fact the he showed his permit would give me SOME measure of comfort. If I had drugs or were a criminal or had the intent of shooting the cop if he gave me crap, I would not reveal my card.

I am all about making the cop feel comfortable and had I been pulled over and he became aware of my weapon but did not take it from me, I would certainly place both hands out of my window as he approached the second time. On another note, who is to say he did not have another gun in the car? The officers training should be his "security" in some regard.

Another angle about guns and their danger:

Sex is dangerous because of the STDs, unplanned pregnancies, etc. Otherwise it is a natural, God-given gift meant to be enjoyed. So what does the government do about it? Educate right? Inform everyone about how to prevent getting an STD. The don't ban sex.

Guns are a weapon, like a knife, bat fist, or branch...yes, they can be dangerous when they are misused. Much like a car, alcohol, or anything. What does the government do to make them safe? Ignorance. Don't talk about it...of you see one "don't touch it". A kid gets curious of this object that he has barely heard anything about and it goes off killing someone. I knew from a young age what a gun did. My father shot a pigeon and explained how it would kill. He took us out and shot on occasion. And I am thankful!

Interesting contrast right?

vstech · #58 08-05-2010, 12:28 PM

[QUOTE=thayer;2519240][QUOTE=vstech;2519227]
not to protect your property,
not to scare off bad guys.

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This is not commonly known. I was suprised when they said I couldn't protect my property.

heh, you can't protect JUST your property... however, IF the criminal is waving a firearm in your face, and threatening your life while he's attempting to make off with your goodies... well. a properly placed projectile certainly ends the situation...

JB3 · #59 08-05-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbobshinigin

Interesting contrast right?

LOL, the difference is that you could live your whole life problem free without a handgun, or a need for one, while if you did that with sex, you would probably buy a handgun to shoot yourself.

also vstech-

you said earlier you carry a gun because- I routinely carry several laptops, many hundreds of $$ in cash, and THOUSANDS of dollars worth of a/c equipment in the car...

It seems that protecting this property is in violation of the NC gun ownership law. Personally, I think that specific line of the law is splitting hairs, if you have a gun, you SHOULD be allowed to used it to defend personal property because people are going to interpret it that way anyway, as you point out above, BUT, you can't use that law as an example of gun safety and training if you are willing to violate it based on the situation.

#60 08-05-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

I think this thread is dipping into OD territory, but the "little card" I carry and the "rigorous" test I took to get it includes a background check and verifies I have committed no crimes of violence or felony, also the vehicles I drive are all tagged by the dmv showing I am carrying a permit. so before they pull me over, if they have run my tag, they know I have the permit.

Actually, that "background check" simply shows that you have not been convicted of any crimes of violence or felonies, not that you haven't committed any. Have you ever had a real background check (it's not even close to the same thing)?

And how does he know that it is actually you are driving the car, as opposed to someone who just stole it from you, taking your gun in the process?

If you were the cop, would you assume that everyone who managed to obtain a CCP is actually trustworthy? Personally, I would be a little worried about anyone who thinks they need to carry a weapon. I do not blame them for being cautious.