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Oh, and removing that top bolt (both of them, actually) from an inline 6 cylinder engine that nearly touches the firewall requires being very agile and in pain.
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I've been wondering if the propeller shaft would be worth getting. It's a different body style than my car, though. Then I thought about maybe wanting the rear axle but once again, it's a different body style car with a different weight and engine type. And, I'm broke after purchasing the transmission!
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The shaft would be worth getting since it's probably going to be shorter than a 4 speed unit. The getrag 5 speeds are longer than the 4 speeds. Does the starter go in the same spot as it does on a diesel? I thought the diesels were different?
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The car I pulled the transmission from is a W123 and my car is a W116, so it may not work in my car anyway, but who knows... The diesels and gas engines have the starters in the same spot and in fact a diesel starter will fit on a gas engine. It's the mid-1980s and newer cars when they changed the side the starter was on.
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Your 116 auto shaft may be quite close as the 717.400 is close to the length of the auto tranny. |
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I went back to Pull-A-Part today and got the adapter plate from the 280E. It bolted up perfectly to my spare 617 engine and then the 717 transmission bolted up perfectly to the adapter plate. The transmission fits like it was made for it! It turns out that the 280E flywheel has the same bolt pattern. It looked wimpier (thinner) than my 220D flywheel so I didn't get it. I am excited about having a 717 bolted to a 617, or a 5 speed transmission bolted to a 5 cylinder engine!
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Is there a special wrench to do that? I have some awkward wrenching to do like that ahead.
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Yeah, I thought finding the lot of NOS parts in Atlanta was the bomb....but nothing like what Squiggle Dog scored.
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Maybe Iam missing something here. Is the 280 adaptor plate all that much different, than the adaptor plate for the 617?
I swaped a 240D 4 spd into my 85 cali 300D. removed the automatic, bolted up the 240D FW, clutch etc... and used the same auto adaptor plate. i had the manual adaptor plate, and not a nickles worth of difference. Also the 85 300D has the tach pick up on the adaptor plate, and was lucky i didn`t have to change it. So is the manual 5 speed bolt pattern the same as the 240 4-spd? should be I would think. so what is the fuss about getting the 280 plate? Just asking. Charlie
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The two top bolts are in between the cast webs of the bellhousing so its harest to get the tool in place, using a tight swivel makes it easier to get a little angle set up between the socket and the extention in order to get the socket on the bolt head easier. Try to get the top two bolts first that way there is no force on them as you remove them, usually once they are broken free they can be turned out just using the extentions and socket without the ratchet. |
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The 5 speed transmission has 2 guide pins that get in the way when installing it in the 617 adapter plate (won't allow it to seat). The bolt holes on the left side don't line up either, but the top, bottom, and starter holes line up. I could have made the 617 adapter plate work if I removed the guide pins on the transmission and left a couple holes without bolts. But the 280 adapter plate works perfectly on both ends.
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OK, thanks. you mentioned it up above, and it didn`t quite sink in then . so then I guess the 280 plate, and if I found a 123 with a 5 spd, it would have the same plate then. I was always under the impression the 5 spd would just bolt up to a 617 w/o swapping plates. good to know. Charlie
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As for 4 speeds, they should be interchangeable with the 115 part number adapter plate. Even the 4 speeds from the fintails bolt up to the 617 fine (I discovered this when I installed a 617 into a fintail before giving up on the car due to rust).
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