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konstan 09-08-2010 09:00 PM

Is there a way to be sure my timing chain didnt skip a tooth
 
Ok so most of you know I am putting the motor back together.

I think the timing chain is in the right position (I kept a zip tie around it and the camshaft sprocket and I had it marked with paint to the crank sprocket.

What I am not 100% sure about is that it didn't skip a tooth or two on the timing device. I mean, I am reasonably sure that it didn't... but is there a way to verify?

Diesel911 09-08-2010 09:21 PM

Yes.
Rotate the Enigine in the direction of normal rotation; line up the Camshaft Gear Timing Mark on the rear of the Gear exactly with the one on the front Chamshaft Bearing.
Look down at the degree marks on the Crankshaft Damper. It sould be on or extremely close to Zero which is Top Dead Center.

jt20 09-08-2010 09:23 PM

it can not slip on the TD unless you removed the vacuum pump and the pressed in pins around the circumference of the device.

konstan 09-08-2010 09:31 PM

well I did remove the vacuum pump, and at one point I did have the TD out...

konstan 09-08-2010 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 2540996)
Yes. Rotate the Enigine in the direction of normal rotation; line up the Camshaft Gear Timing Mark on the rear of the Gear exactly with the one on the front Chamshaft Bearing.Look down at the degree marks on the Crankshaft Damper. It sould be on or extremely close to Zero which is Top Dead Center.

Thanks gonna go check it

jt20 09-08-2010 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 2540996)
Yes.
Rotate the Enigine in the direction of normal rotation; line up the Camshaft Gear Timing Mark on the rear of the Gear exactly with the one on the front Chamshaft Bearing.
Look down at the degree marks on the Crankshaft Damper. It sould be on or extremely close to Zero which is Top Dead Center.


that will only tell you if the cam is in phase with the crank...

not the injection timing.

konstan 09-08-2010 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt20 (Post 2541014)
that will only tell you if the cam is in phase with the crank...not the injection timing.

Raaight... the cam I am 100% sure is in phase...

jt20 09-08-2010 10:25 PM

sooooo...

it sounds like you will have to time your pump if you have any doubts about your installation.

vstech 09-08-2010 10:42 PM

only way to know if the pump gear skipped a tooth is to be sure you did not remove the pin and take out the gear. the chain cannot rise above a tooth in it's place.

Diesel911 09-09-2010 12:45 AM

I am going to barrow a quote from vstech since it applies to me also.

"take my posts with a grain of salt... I skip over reading sometimes..."

Somewhere In our DIY section there is IP timing and what to do if you removed the IP to retime it.
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http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/DoItYourSelf

jt20 09-09-2010 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 2541126)
I am going to barrow a quote from vstech since it applies to me also.

"take my posts with a grain of salt... I skip over reading sometimes..."


me three.

Sev 09-09-2010 03:10 AM

NEVER take my posts with a grain of salt. simply pretend that my posts constitute the thoughts/opinions/views of Chuck Norris.

NEVER take Chuck Norris with a grain of salt, or Chuck Norris will take you out with a roundhouse kick

Stretch 09-09-2010 03:44 AM

The best way of checking you have got TDC on number 1 cylinder is to measure it with a DTI. When the head is in place you can do this by removing the front rocker arm set (on a OM617) and removing the valve spring, nuts, and washers so that the first valve rests on the top of the piston. You can then mount a DTI and turn the crankshaft until the dial stops moving - that's TDC.

Warning:- make sure the piston is very close to the top of the cylinder otherwise the valve could drop in - then you need to take the head off again.

konstan 09-09-2010 10:30 AM



Looks like will be easy enough with the engine still on the stand.

konstan 09-09-2010 08:44 PM

Ok so I did this. The only difference with the engine off the stand is that I have to plug the cigar (return) hose and the injector return hose so the pressure does not escape from them.

Using the drip method, the beginning of delivery (1 sec drop) is definitely between 20 and 21 BTDC... The FSM says should be 23-25. Now, the question is, if the chain skipped one tooth on the timing device, what would the discrepancy be???


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