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Old 09-17-2010, 12:16 PM
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E300D mystery cruise/transmission slip

I posted this on that other forum too, I figured someone here might know something they don't.

I was cruising at 70 on my way home from work, and the car suddenly started decelerating and the tach fell to idle. At first I thought something in the drivetrain had let go, but when I pulled over and looked under the car nothing seemed amiss. I (cautiously) rejoined traffic and she was fine the rest of the way home.

Thinking about it after the fact, I realized that there was no way the engine could idle at 70 MPH in gear (she does ~3000 RPM at 70), so somehow the engine had been disconnected. There was nothing that I could determine as the initiating cause. No unusual noises, no change in road surface/conditions, I didn't touch the CC stalk, shifter, or either pedal. Happened on a straightaway with a mild downgrade.

Things to know:
- my shift bushings are loose as a goose, I have to pull back to the 3 position on the shifter track and then push forward to the stop to pop it into drive
- my girlfriend mentioned the cruise disengaging/not holding once before, but she wasn't able to reproduce it (I was in the car and didn't notice)
- I've shifted into neutral to coast down a hill without remembering to disengage the cruise, and she immediately revved to 5000 RPM. I don't know if that's normal behavior, or if the cruise is supposed to disengage when the trans is in neutral.

How are these systems supposed to interact?

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Old 09-17-2010, 01:40 PM
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It's unclear from your post, are you saying you had cruise control set and it disengaged on its own or you were driving with your foot on the accelerator and it just dropped to idle?

I can tell you from my experience with a later model that if your tires are different sizes cruise WILL disengage. That's because the cruise and traction control/ABS speak to each other and when tires are of different sizes they turn at different speeds and the car thinks a wheel is spinning and it tells the cruise to disengage. Check your tires to make sure they are all the same size and all properly inflated if your problem is with the cruise control.
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Old 09-17-2010, 03:32 PM
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Cruise control was set, my foot was off the accelerator. The car started slowing down like it was coasting, and at the same time the tach dropped to idle.

I have different brand, same size tires on the front and rear, I suppose they might wear unevenly. However, that still does no explain the engine dozing off.
It's not physically possible for the engine to turn at 650 RPM if it's connected to drive wheels going 70 MPH.

The only way to produce these symptoms (without catastrophic drivetrain reconfiguration) is for the transmission to be in neutral and the engine be receiving no throttle input—in this case, due to the cruise disengaging.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:48 PM
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I would hope for a slip to neutral.
Change those shifter bushings and see if it happens again.
Euro model or Euro delivery of a Fed '95?
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Old 09-18-2010, 09:02 AM
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My Recommendations:
Shift linkage bushings are cheap. Not very difficult to do. Makes a world of difference.

Lube your linkages. When was the last time that was done?

Check the status of your wiring harness going to the EDS.
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:56 PM
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I have the same thing on my 1995 Mercedes E300D I was cruising at 70 w/cc ON. and on a staraight freeway noticed that i was slowing down with cruise control off and engine ideling, i called up the dealership they told me it could be two of the things the cc amplifier or the linkage..
i haven't done anything after but wil have to.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:33 PM
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Euro model or Euro delivery of a Fed '95?
Not sure. She has US auto ACC and Fed emissions ****, but has some weird things like ortho seats and the bigger fuel tank. Heated everything. Also on her build sheet: "warning triangle delete". Why, God? Why?

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