Autopart stores oil filter options - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

vstech · #16 10-30-2010, 08:56 PM

I like the Fram turkish made filters because they are not bad, and pep boys puts them on sale 2 for 7.00 quarterly.
I also like the mann. the wix filters are a fine filter, but they have no bypass soot collection section, so I don't use them on the 61x motors. best would be a wix filter, with a secondary bypass filter like the toilet paper setup...
enjoy your car, and don't fret about the filter. just keep track of your changes, and drive!

Graham · #17 10-30-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by layback40

Bosch not only has them made in India but also Korea. Dont know how good they are.
If you have the time, when you change it, cut the can part open on the old one to see what they provided you with.

Even Hengst are made in India. And the MB one I just bought was made in South Africa (So are most of the new C-Classes for that matter!)

I recently had a very bad experience with a new make that some on-line stores are offering. The maker is FULL and they are cheaper than the well known makes. I found that the rubber grommets at each end of the cartridge were oversize when compared with filter from dealer or a Hengst. This was on my 350SL and, so far as I can see, this would result in most of the oil bypassing the element!!!

I would STRONGLY advise not using these filters (made in Thailand).

In this particular case, the FULL filter cost about $5.50, Hengst and Mann about $9.50 and the MB one from the dealer $10.25. Heck, I will be using the OE one for the extra cost of a coffee!

But otherwise, I would stick to Hengst, Mann or Mahle.

tangofox007 · #18 10-30-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bobodaclown

That's why I recommend change it often ...

I fail to see how filtration is improved by frequently replacing a poor quality filter with another poor quality filter.

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Originally Posted by bobodaclown

Buy local. Support a local store.

Do you live in Stuttgart? Or are you just conflicted?

patbob · #19 10-30-2010, 09:51 PM

I just get a NAPA gold when I run out of the mailorder ones. They don't have a separate bypass section.

I (mostly) second the opinion that changing oil and filter regularly is more important than brand.. AND that bug bits, twigs and dirt have no place in the filter. The NAPA may not be perfect, but at least you can see it has none of that crap.

For their spin-ons, STP has gone to a cardboard glued-together construction and they don't even get them glued together right. When glued together right, I'm sure they meet or exceed OEM for any mfg, but I won't use them in any car I own.

bobodaclown · #20 10-30-2010, 09:52 PM

TF you're splitting hairs. A commercially produced filter will do what it's supposed to do. It an expendable part. That' s designed to do a job for a period of time and get changed. You've got your opinion. I've got mine. I've tried the $7.00 filter and the $15 filter. Changed at 5K miles. Guess what the engine still runs and the oil was still black and it needle still went to 3bar. I trust manufactures know what they are doing. I don't think a filter that cost twice as much provides twice the protection, but I'm always willing to review the facts.

layback40 · #21 10-30-2010, 10:00 PM

Its very important to remember that diesel motor oil filters not only have a paper element for removal of particulates, but also a canister that is supposed to contain some sort of activated medium to remove nasty compounds in the oil. Its a bit like the activated carbon filters people use on drinking water to remove chemical residues.
As has been reported on here previously, some of the cheap filters have nothing more than cotton waste, bugs & peanut shells in the canister part.
IMO "split hairs" may work as an activated medium!

so long as they can be contained in the filter canister !!

I would prefer "split hare" in a casserole ! Sorry I couldnt resist that.

Diesel911 · #22 10-30-2010, 10:57 PM

Deliveryvalves Oil Filters list with Micron ratings see post #32:
NAPA Gold Filters

Long Long Oil Filter links:

Organized MB DIY links

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/265211-sub-par-quality-oil-filters-post2338769.html#post2338769

I mostly have been using Bosch (the place they are made is not marked on the box or the filter). But, I also have a by-pass Oil Filter system on my car.

Diesel911 · #23 10-30-2010, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bobodaclown

TF you're splitting hairs. A commercially produced filter will do what it's supposed to do. It an expendable part. That' s designed to do a job for a period of time and get changed. You've got your opinion. I've got mine. I've tried the $7.00 filter and the $15 filter. Changed at 5K miles. Guess what the engine still runs and the oil was still black and it needle still went to 3bar. I trust manufactures know what they are doing. I don't think a filter that cost twice as much provides twice the protection, but I'm always willing to review the facts.

Some people have spent time writing to the filter makers and below is some of the results of some makers who sent a reply. Bosch as an example never answered me. WIX has some of their info on their Web site and Bladwin has some and Baldwin will answer you if you have a question.

See the Differance between the WIX Filter and the Baldwin Filter and tell me all filter will do the same job.
Also as an asside my 53 Chevy Pick-up Truck came with no Oil Filter at all. And, it also ran fine; your Mercedes will also run fine without any Oil Filter; but it will not run fine longer with a good Oil Filter.

Delivery Valves List of Filters and their Micron Ratings.
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=247597&highlight=Bosch+Oil+filters&page=3

tangofox007 · #24 10-30-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bobodaclown

I trust manufactures know what they are doing.

What they know isn't the issue. It's what they do that counts. Surely they know that insects and rocks don't improve filter efficiency.

vstech · #25 10-30-2010, 11:50 PM

I work at the wix filtration manufacturing plant.

they have an awesome building, and amazing array of filters get made here.

I keep pestering them to put the bypass back in. they claim their filter handles the manufacturers specs...

I'm thinking the manufacturers want the engine to wear out quicker to get the older mb's off the road... I will keep pestering them to improve their filters.

cessna5354 · #26 10-31-2010, 07:45 AM

I purchase oil filters from the MB dealership. I receive a discount which puts the cost at an auto store retail price.

What is the consensus of the MB OEM filters ??

I used WIX filters for years, previously.

Graham · #27 10-31-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bobodaclown

A commercially produced filter will do what it's supposed to do.

That's what I thought when I bought the FULL filters but as I said above:

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I recently had a very bad experience with a new make that some on-line stores are offering. The maker is FULL and they are cheaper than the well known makes. I found that the rubber grommets at each end of the cartridge were oversize when compared with filter from dealer or a Hengst. This was on my 350SL and, so far as I can see, this would result in most of the oil bypassing the element!!!

I would STRONGLY advise not using these filters (made in Thailand).

Brian Carlton · #28 10-31-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by toddyvol

I would like to know what is the best oil filter that I can buy locally at either autozone, advance auto, oreilly's, carquest, or napa.

Go to the dealer and get the OE filter and you won't need to worry about any of the aftermarket clowns changing their specs or providing a cheap product.

The cost is slightly more, but in the total cost of the oil change, it's really negligible.

People who try to save $3.00 on an oil filter with the argument that all are the same are penny wise and pound foolish. The same people purchase the cheapest oil they can find and make the same argument that their engine isn't harmed.

Unfortunately, nobody can prove a negative, and none of them take the engine apart to check for wear, and therefore, the abundance of opinions will forever continue.

It's your vehicle.........do as you wish.

bobodaclown · #29 10-31-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Go to the dealer and get the OE filter and you won't need to worry about any of the aftermarket clowns changing their specs or providing a cheap product.

The cost is slightly more, but in the total cost of the oil change, it's really negligible.

People who try to save $3.00 on an oil filter with the argument that all are the same are penny wise and pound foolish. The same people purchase the cheapest oil they can find and make the same argument that their engine isn't harmed.

Unfortunately, nobody can prove a negative, and none of them take the engine apart to check for wear, and therefore, the abundance of opinions will forever continue.

It's your vehicle.........do as you wish.

AMEN!

destroy · #30 11-01-2010, 02:35 AM

I stick with the quality German brands for my Benz. Won't put anything other than OEM on any of my Ford diesels.

A close examination of filter construction and universal oil analysis will show wear levels giving good reason to stick with what they were designed for. Seen way too many cheap discount brand parts that were a joke. Patents are for a reason, the same as sometimes there's a reason OEM parts are more expensive.