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Old 11-25-2010, 05:12 PM
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You might need one of these for a back up.

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That sounds like a better idea than getting a replacement for the battery... In warmer conditions starts right up.
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Old 11-26-2010, 01:58 AM
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HF has these 20% off coupons in magazines. like AAA, Hot Rod, Rod & Custom etc..... then it would be $39.

I also find them in my American Legion mag .


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Old 11-26-2010, 02:23 AM
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Cheap gell cells in most of these save your money

My experience is that most of the cheap starting packs are useless. They have the crappyest offshore gell cell batteries in them & don't last long or produce anywhere near the rated starting amps. Think about it! they claim almost as much amps as the much larger battery in your car. Just buy a new brand name battery if your old one is weak. Cheers
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:31 AM
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My experience is that most of the cheap starting packs are useless. They have the crappyest offshore gell cell batteries in them & don't last long or produce anywhere near the rated starting amps. Think about it! they claim almost as much amps as the much larger battery in your car. Just buy a new brand name battery if your old one is weak. Cheers
The one time I used the Mercedes roadside assistance they showed up in an ML with one of those packs. I had left a light on and my battery was on it's way out. I suggested to the mechanic that it wouldn't turn over my OM603. He said he'd try it. It didn't work and he used the ML which allowed the car to start. I wouldn't waste my money on one of those. I would just buy a new battery.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:28 AM
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I just listed the thing not to replace the battery that should be replaced anyway. and not to try to start the eng with a dead battery. but might help give it a little more oomph when down into those low temps.

the colder the battery gets, the less oomph it has.

Cirrusman had a weak battery, thought maybe this would help him.

Are all these power packs about the same amount of CCA? I haven`t paid a lot of attention to them. I`ve seen them at HF, Costco and auto supply`s. and they are all probably top quality Chinese _____.

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ilys/boobs.gif


Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 11-26-2010, 10:21 AM
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As per '83 300SD Owners Manual:

1) Turn the ignition switch to the ON position - but don't glow it.
2) Now, slowly floorboard and slowly release the foot feed pedal 2-3 times.
3) Glow a full-cycle, but do not crank - turn to OFF remove key.
4) Glow a second full-cycle and with your foot feed on-the-floorboard crank until the engine starts, and only slowly start to release the foot feed pedal as it runs without pressure from the foot feed.

If your battery is good and strong, the car should start.
The pic is from my SD owners manual, seems one of us has a pirated copy.

I bought the pictured battery pack before I replaced the starter, could have saved $90, oh well.

ConnClark, stop on by, I even have a heated garage.
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Old 11-26-2010, 11:30 AM
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I don't know whether my battery should be replaced or not. I got it new just last spring and the one it was replacing was still under warranty so I just had to pay like $25 for it since I got a bigger one. I have since replaced the alternator so I don't know if they will replace this one too under warranty. Charmalu's idea sounds good too. And in the spirit of the original thread (means to warm up the engine under cold temps), a heated garage sounds to me like the best, albeit most expensive option I don't know if I'd try the hair blower... :/
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Old 11-26-2010, 11:34 AM
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I wonder what actually fails on block heaters - the electrical element? There isn't a thermostat in them, is there? Hopefully it's just the cord that has gone bad. I know one person who told me one time their block heater failed but the outlet it was plugged into just had a tripped GFCI. Still doesn't help when you have to leave for work.
In my case, it was the cord. Just pull what you have out and have a close look at it and run some continuity tests. Mine failed the simple lightbulb test and I bought a new one. Best $15 I ever spent on the car.

Now, as soon as the temps drop below 10 degrees or so, I have it plugged in. At home, its on a timer that switches it on from 3 to 9. I usually get up to go to work at 5, so its on for about 2.5 hours. At work, I plug it in when I get to work, and unplug when I drive home.

My car has started even at 10 below without plugging in. With a good battery, it will start. It just rattles like crazy and I have to keep revving it or the revs drop to about 500 and I don't like the rattling...reminds me I drive a really old car.

The best benefit though, is that there's actual heat almost from the get-go. Now what's not to like about that on a cold winter morning?
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:09 PM
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I just listed the thing not to replace the battery that should be replaced anyway. and not to try to start the eng with a dead battery. but might help give it a little more oomph when down into those low temps.

the colder the battery gets, the less oomph it has.

Cirrusman had a weak battery, thought maybe this would help him.

Are all these power packs about the same amount of CCA? I haven`t paid a lot of attention to them. I`ve seen them at HF, Costco and auto supply`s. and they are all probably top quality Chinese _____.

Charlie
there are various levels of these jumper boxes. the one pictured looks like a decent one.
most are in the 300-500 amp variety, and no, they will not start a diesel with a dead battery.
most shops carry the 1200amp models, and they will indeed start the car, but they cost upwards of $200+ so just get a new battery and be done with it.
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Old 11-26-2010, 09:26 PM
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It's been cooling off here as well. I went out to start my car tonight after it had been sitting for two days and she fired up without any problems. Gotta love these 70 degree south Florida winter nights!

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Old 11-29-2010, 03:35 PM
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ConnClark, stop on by, I even have a heated garage.
I would love too but its a bit of a drive from Washington the state
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:38 AM
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My Dad used to use a hair dryer on the old Ford (mid70's) cars with the 1st generation electronic ignition. the sealant on the back would crack/shrink and alow moisture in. I have been told it is not a good idea to start a diesel engine with power to the block heater?
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Old 11-30-2010, 01:17 AM
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I have been told it is not a good idea to start a diesel engine with power to the block heater?


Why would that be? never heard that one before. power is coming from an external source, and the block heater is in the water jacket, and not blocking the flow. really not going to hurt anything, unless you decide to drive off with the extention cord still plugged in.

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1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...ilys/boobs.gif


Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 11-30-2010, 12:28 PM
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Well, my car started just fine as soon as the temperatures were frendlier... I think I'll just get what Charmalu suggested.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
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I do not know if this will work or not but I met this guy who had been stationed in Alaska when he was in the Army. He said they Ran a 40 watt Bulb so it could be place insde Air Filter Housing or on the Intake manifold and coverd the whole Engine with an insulating Blanket (fire proof?).

They left it there until the Vehicle was ready to be run.

He did not say if the Vehicles they did this to were gas or Diesel.

Never gets cold enough here for me to test it to see if it works or not.
"Fire proof" is an important factor. I knew more than one G.I. who was in AK. Standard foam rubber resulted in a fire than came short of ruining the engine but was caught in time to be put out.

100 W bulb under the oil pan works well, too.
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