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Stall after cold start?
Now that the cooler temps are here, I am having trouble stalling after morning starts. The starting is fine, always starts after the first glow. Then without giving it a little gas, it may stall out. Or if I try to put it into gear to start moving it will stall out. This wasn't the case when the weather was warm. Thoughts? Thanks.
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Idle too low? (should be 700)
air in fuel? glow plugs all good? filter plugged?
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I will check the idle. Aren't the glow plugs only for starting? Temps are in the low 40's.
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are we expected to guess which car you are having issues with?
what's with all the (lease fin) and (sold) in your sig... are you listing cars you've had? hmmm. valves adjusted? air in fuel or a small air leak could show up and cause a stall.
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If you have a dead glow plug but engine still starts, the cyl with the bad glow plug will not combust the fuel optimally till the engine warms up and run rough and promote stalling. Look at the clear return fuel line. If you see any bubbles at all, that is probably the problem.
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1983 300D. I have not adjusted the valves for the last 22k miles...waiting for the arrival of the bent wrenches I bought.
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It has been about 3 years since I satarted reading the various Mercedes Forunms and for some reason there seems to be a cycle of the type of problems people are having. This last year has seen a lot of folks with what appears to be Fuel Supply issues related to the Fuel Supply/Lift Pump or the Fuel Pressure/Bypass Valve on the Fuel Injection Pump. A small Air leak or leaking Valves inside of the Fuel Supply can cause Fuel to migrate back to the Fuel Tank. So when you first start the car it takes time to fill the Hoses back up. The low temp for some reason could be making the above worse. Is you Engine less likely to stall when the Fuel Tank is Full or does the problem show up more when your Tank is 1/2 of below full? Also are you taking the time to warm up your Engine? Below is the sticker from my 84 300D; the middle range of the idle speed is 750 rpm.
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This reminds me I have to raise my idle a little. Per my photo tach, it is around 640 RPM! I need to up it by 100. Do you have a pic of the adjustment? I think it's a slotted screw adjustement? Last I tried, it didn't budge. I'll try squirting lot's of penetrating oil on it and try again.
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My glow plugs checked out fine. Now I'm having trouble starting in 35 degree weather. Can not having a valve adjustment impede cold starting? It will crank but not start. Then when I plug in the block heater it will start without waiting for the engine block to warm?? What's going on?
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No valve adj impede start: yes, but not necessarily
No start unless heated: if engine won't crank fast enough, it won't start. Unwarmed engine may (typically will) turn over more slowly. Is there a significant crank speed diff cold vs. warmed?
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No, same.
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As a recent thread was started on reading you engine speed while cranking. There is no data base yet but hopefuly one will develop. Then with a simple photo tach this can either be cleared as part of the issue or a problem.. Until then it is just guesswork. Normal cranking speed at various temperatures is needed.
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