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Old 12-23-2010, 10:19 AM
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I hate to break this to you, but if the stretch is really bad, you need to replace your gears too... rolling in a new chain on old badly worn gears will not fix the problem.
You mean the sprockets?
geez I don't think I could get those here... I guess just the chain would have to do... at least the chain wont break and cause the valves to hit the pistons

PS: I don't think the sprockets are worn that bad... they do sit on the chain well and the teeth don't seem to be worn at all

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Old 12-23-2010, 10:21 AM
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:23 AM
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I hate to break this to you, but if the stretch is really bad, you need to replace your gears too... rolling in a new chain on old badly worn gears will not fix the problem.
My thoughts exactly. I never changed the chain on my on road bike. When finally had to (wore out the old crankset) the teeth on the chainring & sprockets looked like shark fins. New chain hopped on the cogs when I jumped on it, always a bad time - can send your nuts into the top tube if it doesn't put you over the handlebars.
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Old 12-23-2010, 10:36 AM
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You mean the sprockets?
geez I don't think I could get those here... I guess just the chain would have to do... at least the chain wont break and cause the valves to hit the pistons

PS: I don't think the sprockets are worn that bad... they do sit on the chain well and the teeth don't seem to be worn at all
Post some pictures of the camshaft sprocket - you'll get plenty of advice.
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You mean the sprockets?
geez I don't think I could get those here... I guess just the chain would have to do... at least the chain wont break and cause the valves to hit the pistons

PS: I don't think the sprockets are worn that bad... they do sit on the chain well and the teeth don't seem to be worn at all
Chain / sprocket mismatch will give noise & vibration, and could break the chain or a tooth because of the vibration and because (I think) the drive load all goes to a single tooth.

A ways back, a guy from indonesia or philipines posted, a mechanic put the cam sprocket on backwards, so essentially a new sprocket was driven by an old chain. He reported something broken, probably w/ a loud bang.

If the tooth profiles are visibly asymmetric, you will probably have a mismatch between the crank sprocket, cam sprocket and TC.

I wouldn't be too surprised if flipping the sprockets over and replacing the TC at the same time worked because you'll have wear surfaces that have been practically unloaded for 30 years driving the new TC. That being said, I'd rather hear from a few people that it's worked for before trying it myself.
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Chain / sprocket mismatch will give noise & vibration, and could break the chain or a tooth because of the vibration and because (I think) the drive load all goes to a single tooth.

A ways back, a guy from indonesia or philipines posted, a mechanic put the cam sprocket on backwards, so essentially a new sprocket was driven by an old chain. He reported something broken, probably w/ a loud bang.

If the tooth profiles are visibly asymmetric, you will probably have a mismatch between the crank sprocket, cam sprocket and TC.

I wouldn't be too surprised if flipping the sprockets over and replacing the TC at the same time worked because you'll have wear surfaces that have been practically unloaded for 30 years driving the new TC. That being said, I'd rather hear from a few people that it's worked for before trying it myself.
Well I've taken a good look at my cam sprocket and I must say it doesn't look anything like a shark fin (one side slightly rounded at the top) do you really think it could be still worn?

I get what you mean though by flipping it around, that makes sense
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I don't think the cam sprocket will work if flipped, they are not concentric.
the mercedes shop manual states that if excessive wear is noted by out of spec stretch, the chain and ALL sprockets must be replaced. this means, crank, cam, IP, and oil pump drive if a turbo.
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Hi, congrats on getting that key out!

As to rolling in a new chain, that is easy, but sprocket change would be a greater job. The lower sprocket would be the tough one. Are the teeth pointed on the upper sprocket?

On the oil filter, I hope you do change it. It is a mess to do, so have a big drain pan and lots of rags. I have a piece of sheet metal I jam between the filter canister and the motor/frame. This keeps oil off these places, and down into the drain pan. Loosen the filter bolt a few turns let the thing drain. It helps to push the canister up on the loosened bolt, to get all the oil out. Then undo the bolt and drop it all into the drain pan.

The canister should have two "filters" in it. They are pretty crude. The large filter should be replaced with the best you can buy, there are threads on this site addressing filter issues. The other item is really a screen. I've found them missing, or with tears. Make sure yours is ok. I'd put in a new one if there's any question about the one you've found. If it is ok, it should be cleaned, I use raw gas or diesel, then let it dry.

There's the large "O" ring on the canister and small copper washer at the bolt that should be changed. With a high quality filter, from Germany, these come in the box.

Don't forget to drain the oil cooler, when changing oil and filter.

The filter set up is pretty poor on these, and the oil should be changed often to lessen the soot in the engine.

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