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Woodrough key fallen in! help!!!!
Hi,
This is probably the biggest stupidest cock up I've had, I was installing a new woodrough key on the camshaft and I guess my finger knocked it and it fell in through, I haven't turned the crankshaft even an inch.... I don't want it to get jammed in there any ideas? Do you think it would have gone through all the way and ended up in the oil pan? I'm in a heap of trouble here
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only way to find out is shine lights in there, get a shielded magnet stick and start fishing around. then drop the pan and pray it's in there.
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Hi, I'd try a magnet on end of flex rod, down in the crank gear area. If not there, then drain oil and use magnet via drain hole. You should be able to get the key out, no problem.
Ron
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X3 on the magnet and if that doesn't work drop the lower oil pan and sieve the oil - or sieve through the oil with a magnet to make sure you've got it.
If you still can't find it there is space - although limited - to feel (perhaps look) from the bottom upwards. At least this piece has dropped into a relatively small area at the front of the engine. (I'd also change the gasket on the lower pan whilst you are at it) I advise you not to turn either the crankshaft or the camshaft - valves and pistons will meet. If you can, wedge the camshaft cog with a bit of wood (through the holes in the cog's casting) and a wood working clamp to stop it from moving whilst you search. You can also stop the flywheel from turning by using a proper MB tool that grips the flywheel teeth at an access point under the engine at the engine / bell housing joint. (And if your starter motor is out you can wedge the flywheel there too). If you wedge anything in place - don't forget to unwedge it before you finish the job! Good luck
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Not what you need to hear now - but, I was taught early on in my wrenching days to stuff shop rags in the holes where things might fall before wrenching. I've pulled many a shop rag to retrieve small pieces that might have otherwise been lost and/or caused other problems.
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Help what do I do?
drained oil went through it dropped oil pan, took a look with the camshaft cover off, took a look with the oil pan off from under the engine, shook the car, NOTHING!!! I really am in huge trouble here any more ideas? Its close to christmas and we've got no car and everything is being held up we really are in MASSIVE TROUBLE HERE
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What if it had gone in and landed somewhere I cant get to?
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I know this might sound stupid but would it be a good idea to hose some water in there to see if it falls out of the bottom?
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First thing - don't panic - you'll probably miss it.
If you still have the oil get someone else (if you can) to recheck the oil. Whilst someone else (hopefully) is doing that try getting a bottle brush - something with fixed bristles - to rub it up and down the front cavity where the timing chain is housed. I'd do that before resorting to removal of the following components (in the specific order) 1) Timing chain tensioner - this will give you more 'waggle' on the chain which might help 2) Timing chain idler wheel in the head - this will give you even more slack in the chain 3) IP timing device - the chain will still be whole but you'll have so much timing chain slack in it you've got to be able to find anything. Plus you'll have another access hole through the front of the engine. Note:- a) If you remove the tensioner (number 1) you need to refill it with oil - otherwise it won't work properly b) Removing more parts such as the idler wheel and the IP timing device is making way more work than you wanted. You need RTV to reseal the vacuum pump - and you may as well replace the timing chain if you are going that far and replace the timing chain guides as well. Sorry to bring bad news - but I can't see any easy way out for you. You need to take more parts off if you can't find that one bit. Alternatively you take a risk - put it all back together and see what happens. If you do turn the engine slowly by hand and stop if you hear a crunch. Here you are really just putting your faith in the automotive Gods (or whatever). Again I say good luck.
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Timing marks gone from my OM617 engine It can only fall down in the bit 'made for' the timing chain and find its way into the upper oil pan and then the lower one
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If you want to clean up some areas I'd use a bottle brush with fixed bristles (as said above) and very SPARING use of brake cleaner (or something like that).
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Before I go ahead and remove those things would it be a good idea to hose some water in from the top and see if it falls out of the bottom?
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We're frantically posting at the same time - see post 11 for my answer
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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that should help get the point across. |
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yeah..... what if it had landed somewhere in between and not made itself all the way down so it wouldn't have been touching the oil which might explain why when we drained the oil it didn't come with it, but if I can hose it with something then it might come out from the bottom with the liquid
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