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winmutt 01-16-2011 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by whunter (Post 2637682)
A poster slogan???


This is a false concept.

Wasting your life trying to improve everything = no time left for living or enjoying life.
How is it a false concept? There is always room for improvement. Whether it is worth the time and effort is a different question.

English Bulldog 01-16-2011 12:26 PM
Nobody is chiming in and saying I droped the car 2 coils in the front and chopped the rear accordingly to take out the rake or leave the some rake as in stock. I used HD shocks and 205 50 16 fronts and 245 45 16 rears. the ride was bone jarring. or the ride was really not so bad. I was just asking for first hand experience.

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Originally Posted by whunter (Post 2637666)

I have done what you contemplate many times through the years, by customer demand.
The cars are acutely painful for me to ride in, (previous spinal injury and kidney stones several times per year).
then share it with us on tuesday, but today is Sunday and tomorrow is a national holiday. I agree with you we should enjoy our lives, so while dont we take a rest and give the choppers time to give their testimonials how it worked out or didnt work out for them.

appreciate your inputs so lets just have a wonderful weekend and wait for the cutters and those with lowering spings to post.

English Bulldog 01-16-2011 12:33 PM
http://superturbodiesel.com/images/b...two%20tone.jpg
I want to lower like this!

Here is the plan so far
1. BBS RS 7 x 16 Nexen N3000 205 50 16 ET 24 Diameter =24.1
2. BBS RS 8 x 16 Nexen N3000 245 45 16 ET 11 staggered set D = 24.6
3. OEM oil pan protector
4. KMAC Camber adjuster rear
5. front 3 inch spring cut
6 rear 3.5 inch spring cut

1. Revalve Bilstein Comforts to HDs at Bilstein Poway CA $65 each plus urethane bushings.
2. Cut existing springs so if i make a mistake i can buy new ones.
3. Replace rubber bushings but dont know which.
4. Adjust height of car with 1-4 nub spring donuts.
5. Wait for group buy perfect sway bars front and rear.

"Quite Frankly, it wasn't until i was at least 13 that i realized i had a staggerred set" English Bulldog :laughing: [/SIZE]

So what bushings to change ranked in order of decreasing roll the most.
I am already installing new shocks and shocks bushings and the KMAC is the lower rear arm bushing i think.

1. $
2. $
3. $

winmutt 01-16-2011 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by English Bulldog (Post 2637718)
Nobody is chiming in and saying I droped the car 2 coils in the front and chopped the rear accordingly to take out the rake or leave the some rake as in stock. I used HD shocks and 205 50 16 fronts and 245 45 16 rears. the ride was bone jarring. or the ride was really not so bad. I was just asking for first hand experience.

3 coils in the front, 2 in the back, HD's all around. Stock sway bars. There was still alot of gap left at the wheels as everything was stripped and a manual trans put in its place. I will let you make your own mind about the ride. We would regularly pass the euro spec miata in the corners.

http://superturbodiesel.com/images/b...ner_lemons.png

MBeige 01-17-2011 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by winmutt (Post 2638144)
3 coils in the front, 2 in the back, HD's all around. Stock sway bars. There was still alot of gap left at the wheels as everything was stripped and a manual trans put in its place. I will let you make your own mind about the ride. We would regularly pass the euro spec miata in the corners.

http://superturbodiesel.com/images/b...ner_lemons.png
Amazing shot Rolf!!

MBeige 01-17-2011 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by English Bulldog (Post 2637718)
Nobody is chiming in and saying I droped the car 2 coils in the front and chopped the rear accordingly to take out the rake or leave the some rake as in stock. I used HD shocks and 205 50 16 fronts and 245 45 16 rears. the ride was bone jarring. or the ride was really not so bad. I was just asking for first hand experience.



then share it with us on tuesday, but today is Sunday and tomorrow is a national holiday. I agree with you we should enjoy our lives, so while dont we take a rest and give the choppers time to give their testimonials how it worked out or didnt work out for them.

appreciate your inputs so lets just have a wonderful weekend and wait for the cutters and those with lowering spings to post.
Just a FYI, posts about ride quality can be subjective, what's harsh for you may be comfortable for others and vice versa.

pgringo 01-17-2011 01:25 AM
yes. what is comfortable to some, may seem a slow sloppy boat ride to others.

t walgamuth 01-17-2011 08:35 AM
My old autocross car has been sitting around now for a couple of years. I have tried to sell it but nobody has taken me up on it. It is very low with H and R lowering springs. It has hd bilseins on front and red Koni adjustables on the back. Most of the interior is pulled too and the battery resides in the spare wheel well.

My new devious plan is to put it on the street and drive it back and forth to work. So one of these days I will pull it out and shoot some pics of it.

Eventually I plan to put on some nice fat 225/60 Tires. I am hoping it looks somewhat like the two tone car above.;) I'll put the euro headlights back on too.

English Bulldog 01-17-2011 11:07 AM
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nice car winmutt...

Here is the plan so far
1. BBS RS 7 x 16 Nexen N3000 205 50 16 ET 24 Diameter =24.1
2. BBS RS 8 x 16 Nexen N3000 245 45 16 ET 11 staggered set D = 24.6


"Quite Frankly, it wasn't until i was at least 13 that i realized i had a staggerred set" English Bulldog :laughing: [/SIZE]

English Bulldog 01-17-2011 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2638344)
My old autocross car has been sitting around now for a couple of years. I have tried to sell it but nobody has taken me up on it. It is very low with H and R lowering springs. It has hd bilseins on front and red Koni adjustables on the back. Most of the interior is pulled too and the battery resides in the spare wheel well.

My new devious plan is to put it on the street and drive it back and forth to work. So one of these days I will pull it out and shoot some pics of it.

Eventually I plan to put on some nice fat 225/60 Tires. I am hoping it looks somewhat like the two tone car above.;) I'll put the euro headlights back on too.
with the h&r springs it is lowered 50mm front and rear, not enuf to eliminate the front wheel gap right?

both h&r and stock are progressive rate springs?

how did it ride. 10 equal same as stock, 0 equal like without dampers and springs.

Was the roll decreased?

t walgamuth 01-17-2011 07:55 PM
To me wheel gap means that your tires don't hit the fender when you drive it so I will just say they don't even with 225/50r14 hoosiers and 30mm spacers on the front. Rear neither with no spacers.

The h and rs may be progressive, cannot remember, the stock springs are not progressive on a 123.

I'll say ride is a six or so.

And it still rolls a lot with the stock sways. Bigger sways would be nice. I think Swamp has wagon sways on his. Let's ask him on a scale of ten how the sways are.

Swamp!!!!? Yoo hoo!

English Bulldog 01-19-2011 01:07 AM
somebody private messaged me about a 2 cut front and rear
 
Re: just making sure before i cut 2 coils front and 2 coils rear
You'll need to fit uprated shockies, i have KYB's on the rear but still riding stock sedan shockies on the front.I sometimes catch the tire on the chrome trim on the front arches.Fitting slightly stiffer shockies will cure this though.I still have that lovely MB ride.

winmutt 01-19-2011 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2638862)
the stock springs are not progressive on a 123.
The CE came with em in the rear. My taxi had them as well.

As far as tire scrub, I rolled my fenders with a bat and a heat gun. Haven't had scrub since then.

English Bulldog 01-19-2011 08:32 PM
Went to Bilstein today. They cannot rebuild w123 comforts or HDs because the tops are crimped closed as opposed to removable.

Comforts have 6.3 and 6.4 inches of travel.

If they were rebuildable, then they would decrease the shaft 1.5 inches and shorten the body 1.5 inches, leaving 6.3-1.5=4.8 inches of travel.

Updated plan so far
1. BBS RS 7 x 16 Nexen N3000 205 50 16 ET 24 Diameter =24.1
2. BBS RS 8 x 16 Nexen N3000 245 45 16 ET 11 staggered set D = 24.6
3. OEM oil pan protector
4. KMAC Camber adjuster rear
5. front 3 inch spring cut
6. rear 3.0 inch spring cut

1. Bilstein HDs
2. Cut existing springs so if i make a mistake i can buy new ones.
3. Replace spring shim to adjust rake.
4. Replace rubber bushings and sway bar connector.
5. Wait for group buy perfect sway bars front and rear.


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