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Yes. He used to promote it while driving around in his Hummer. To his credit, I believe it was the diesel version.
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I'm saying that in the long run Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles allow a seamless adaptation to a non petroleum fueled vehicle series. Yes, it is a packaging of energy and not an energy source, I never claimed that it would be. But Hybrids don't make a big enough of an impact and anyone who actually likes cars shouldn't buy one (except for the 911 hybrid). Electric only cars are good on paper and good in reality if you only lived in the city. You either have a slow electric that can't get out of it's way and takes 8 hours to charge or you have a fast electric that runs out of energy after an hour or so. Hydrogen automotives is the way. Production of Hydrogen can be handled later.
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I don't get the hype with the hybrids, the old 1980's VW Rabbit Diesels got better mileage than the modern hybrids, how can the hybrid be an improvement? Heck, my old Citroen 2CV got 50+mpg on a 2 cylinder 602cc engine, and it was fun to drive. Also it cost less to make either of those cars, than the battery for a hybird costs.
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To be quite frank I am a mechanical engineer, and I did pay attention in science class. So unless you can come up with a better energy storage medium than "fantastic batteries that will exist soon" then Hydrogen fuel cells offer the best solution. As it stands now not a single Hybrid or electric vehicle is viable on a national level. Quote:
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I wish that the US would start selling high MPG diesels and scrap all the hybrids until we can come up with a viable non-petroleum fueled vehicle.
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Would you pay a several $1000 premium to buy a diesel that gets 30-40% better mileage when diesel fuel cost more than premium gasoline?
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Ok so after you split my post up what part of that made you feel smart? You referenced my part of the post about the volt then made a joke about jerry cans, did you forget about the volts electric onboard generator? so yes just take your jerry can down and fill'er up and get back on the road. http://www.teslamotors.com/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster and spend a couple minutes there, their cars will go 300 miles on a charge and do 0-60 in 5.5 secs (just grabbed the first one i saw) yea that sounds like a terd'y ol electric car. And you said electric cars not electric motors but hybrids are driven by electric motors so what is the point? a electric motor in a hybrid differs little than the electric motor running the fan in you computer get your facts straight. yea and non petrolium solution? diesel is a petrolium distillate...
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I think the EPA is stupid on diesel, it seems like diesel has the same bad rap with them that it had in the 1970s.
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What I said was that hybrids suck, they don't make enough of a dent in the petroleum consumption and they are costly to make and maintain. I also said that electric only cars suck because you either have the Tesla (fast but take too long to charge), or the Volt which is just a little tiny thing with a generator. Sure the Tesla could replace track cars for the rich and the volt would work well for the teenager or the guy who lives in town. But what about all the other full size sedans, pickups, minivans and buses out there? Will the Tesla and Volt replace them? I don't think so. Electric only cars are a novelty at this point. Hydrogen fuel cells offer a better option for the entire automotive industry.[/quote] a electric motor in a hybrid differs little than the electric motor running the fan in you computer get your facts straight.[/quote]When have I said any different. You really don't read well. Quote:
EDIT: Oh btw, what was the price on the Tesla? Thats right over $100k!!! Sounds perfect for every American!
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Besides, Now Mercedes will have a DIESEL + electric car coming out. Peugot's 3008 is coming out soon, also. Wanna bet you couldn't survive with a 225 HP turbo -diesel in futuristic America? Maybe everywhere except California, but if they are not back on their feet in 20 years, it prolly won't make a difference. By then I may downscale and live in a warmer state. Make my own BD in a shed, and be happy!
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Silverado hybrid, tahoe hybrid, and volt just to name a few that already exist and that is just from gm mercedes has hybrids so does porsche toyota and ford, Hybrids are here wether they fit into your hydrogen theories or not. Hybrid tech might not be the answer but it is a step in the right directions with full size trucks getting 22 mpg with 330 hp (another slow hybrid rig im sure) and the volts 120 mpg and 150hp with a range of 300 miles inbetween gas fill ups, which also comftorably runs 4 around (sounds like something for every teenager if you ask me). If the price of the tesla bothers you so much (you can get them for under $80k) i would hate to see your reaction to a new benz's price that is a little closer to the american budget right? wrong forum to whine about cost in dont ya think? As soon as hydrogen starts making a difference ill start careing otherwise stop driving your car your wasting all my fossil fuel.
edit: please dont respond to this, im tired of argueing with your simple ass.
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As for me, I gave up lusting for a new car over 20 years ago. I'm happy now to have a functional 8 - 12 year-old vehicle for my daily-transport (which excludes hybrids because that's the point where I could be facing an expensive battery replacement) And I'm delighted to have a nice, solid, computer-free, 240D as my second car. Not to mention - no car payments. Just hope Big Brother doesn't decide to legislate our old cars out of existence! Happy Motoring, Mark
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YES! The Europeans are making money off high-mileage diesels, but the US manufacturers can't make any money out of that mix. This is about companies making money, and what cultures are used to.
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[QUOTE=martureo;2643325]I said electric CARS not electric MOTORS, the Clarity has an electric motor.[quote] Just because prius's are lame does not make hybrids useless.
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