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Old 02-03-2011, 05:23 PM
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Is this the one: This latest version from Uro Parts now comes WITH the driveshaft bearing included in the unit, although not shown in image. 1 per car.
This is timely for me because while I am waiting for Transmission parts to arrive I pulled my Drive Shaft out to inspec the Support Bearing mount. I is starting to crack and I was considering the URO one.
So you saved me some trouble.
Yeah it was $25 for the metal/rubber frame AND bearing. Hah, joke's on me! I get all my parts either from the local dealer, or from the local "euro specialist" aftermarket place: Bosch, Febi, Bilstein, Uro, etc.

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Old 02-03-2011, 08:02 PM
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This is America guys, everything is made in China.
Therein lies the downfall of this country. The own all of our debt and make all of our CRAP.
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Old 02-03-2011, 11:06 PM
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err, gday, the AIR in the box is oztralian, the SCREW is nippon, strewth, how could anyone get confused over such a simple thing.
Sorry my mistake !!

Was having a screw loose moment !!
Should have realized they dont make screws in oztralia !!
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Old 02-04-2011, 06:07 AM
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Sorry my mistake !!

Was having a screw loose moment !!
Should have realized they dont make screws in oztralia !!

oz has enough problems (female PM, weather, etc) without losing control of the facts.... kiwiland is way ahead of you, must be 30 years now they've had the nippon clipon.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:42 AM
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oz has enough problems (female PM, weather, etc) without losing control of the facts.... kiwiland is way ahead of you, must be 30 years now they've had the nippon clipon.
Best you go & have a look at a post of mine in the joke thread in OD a few weeks ago.
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:55 AM
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Its getting quite hard to find non uro parts online for some things. For instance, I am seeking a front W123 door check that is NOT Uro, and cannot seem to find one on any of the parts sites including this one. I want a quality replacement!
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Old 02-04-2011, 08:48 AM
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I was also disappointed to see that all of my Meyle parts I just ordered were labeled with a "made in china" sticker on them. I am rebuilding my front end, and out of the Febi, Karlyn, Lemforder, and Meyle parts only the Meyle's are made in China.

They look okay though, so I'll try them. If they fail then I know that I went wrong.

Also I've had Uro tie rods on my car for the last 20,000 miles. Apparently I chose a bad brand, so I ordered Febi's to replace them with, but under further inspection see no issue with the tie rods at all.

Either it's only a matter of time, or these parts are being somewhat put together well...
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Used PNP parts are looking real good, I have seen quite a few new parts on some on the junkers. They are start to be looking better all the time with all this Chinese crap being dimped on us.

The down fall would be, the used junker part, is now a used Chinese replacement part.

A couple yrs back I bought a replacement slave cylinder for my Datsun PU from Kragans, now O`Rilley. they had a $17 one and a $27 one. I asked to see both of them to see the difference. the $17 one was in a white box and sealed in a plastic bag. the $27 one was in a Raybestos box, sealed in a plastic bag. both bags had the same part number.
Brand name means nothing.

I bought the $17 part.


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Old 02-04-2011, 12:28 PM
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Last summer, I needed both rear door-checks for my '82 240d and searched my Virginia Beach PNP for W123s. Luckily, I found a pair that had been replacements - yellow plated steel vs painted body color.
The comment about Chinese parts at the PNP is funny because more recently, I had to replace a Pontiac Fiero radiatop fan-motor, where the original part was NLA. So I needed to search the PNP for a motor WITH compatible fan-blade that could be adapted into the Fiero fan-shroud. The best fit turned out to be a Chinese replacement out of a '96 Chevy Cavalier. But very likely, any NEW replacemnt motor I'd find these days would be made in China.

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Old 02-07-2011, 10:27 AM
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Saturday I changed: motor mounts, transmission mount, flex disks, center support and bearing. All with MB original/dealer parts in the grayish box with the little hologram decal.

The disks were/are Jurid, and looked just like the original (?) units. The engine mounts (no manufacturer ID that I could see), while cracked but unbroken, were mashed down about 5/16" 8 mm each. All the rubber mold marks and features of the new parts EXACTLY matched the removed parts (except for the Uro center support, of course).

The rubber of the "new" Uro center support (came with ball bearing, for $25) was intact, but the bearing has about 0.020" 0.5 mm radial/axial play, and has vented all of its grease onto the outside of the seals. This unit was installed for about two months and one thousand miles.

YMMV, but I dun did learnded mine lessin bout shoddy aftermarket RUBBER parts.

Oh, the car in question is the '83 300D.
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Interesting respnse from Febi, with good points made

Just got this back today. I agree with some of his points, I'll have to take some quality time to make my reply to him.

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Dear Mr. Johnson,

Thank you for your e-mail and for your visit to the febi bilstein web site.

Have you had a bad experience with a febi part that was made in China? Would you please share your experience with me?

I'd like to respond to your comments. First, China is a huge country with thousands of different manufacturers. Within those manufacturers are varying levels of expertise and quality.
febi bilstein does not manufacture any parts in China. We purchase some items from approved manufacturers located in China, but at the present time that is less than 13% of our total product offering.

I recently traveled in the US and Canada, and spent one night in a Holiday Inn where I made coffee in a Black & Decker coffee pot (made in China). I called our headquarters in Germany and my office in California with my Motorola Razor phone (made in China), made a presentation to a customer with an Optoma digital projector (made in China) with my Toshiba laptop (made in China) carried in my Samsonite computer case (made in China) and am sending this e-mail using my AT&T Sierra Wireless "Air Card" (made in China).

Part of my wardrobe today consists of a Geoffrey Beene sweater (made in China) and Rockport shoes (made in China).

During my flight to Canada from the West Coast, I listened to music on my Bose Acoustic Noise Canceling headphones (assembled in China).

You and I both know that I could go on "forever".

Many automotive companies manufacture (or have joint ventures) in China including Lemfoerder, Sachs, ZF, Boge, SKF, FAG, Bosch (with over 22,000 employees), Hella, Mahle, etc., etc., etc. Virtually no major automotive parts supplier, including (as noted above) many significant OE suppliers to the global automotive market is not doing some business in China. Many of our suppliers are "Tier One" suppliers to companies like Ford, GM, Volkswagen, Toyota etc. It is important to realize that China does not have low quality control, it is the companies who purchase or manufacture Chinese goods that do not enforce adequate quality control standards. China produces some very fine quality parts and products and also produces some horrible products.

Your view of Chinese parts mirrors post-war opinions of Japanese products, and more recent (say twenty years ago) opinions about parts from Italy, Spain, Mexico, Brazil and Hungary.

I sincerely hope that you will reconsider your decision to not buy any febi bilstein products because of our purchase of goods from China. If you don't change your mind, it is certainly your right, but please don't single out febi - stop buying from all the companies noted above and the myriad others not mentioned (Sony, Nikon, Levi Strauss, Nike etc.). I think that you will find your options to purchase goods from companies that do not manufacture or source in China will be severely limited.

febi works very closely with the German TÜV to insure that the products we purchase from Chinese suppliers meet our quality standards and the OE quality standards.
febi is working very diligently to be sure that the product we get from all suppliers and countries is of good quality. Have we had items made in China with zero complaints or quality issues? Absolutely. Have we had problems with some Chinese product? Absolutely. Have we done something about it? Absolutely. In some instances we have switched suppliers to OE suppliers. In other situations we have worked with the supplier to correct the quality issues and are now satisfied that the product is of excellent quality.

I strongly urge you not to fall into the "Everything made in China is garbage!" mindset. As noted above (and easily confirmed by a few hours on Google looking at OE Manufacturer websites) nearly every significant automotive OE supplier has production in China. The key to manufacturing and buying in China is to be stringent about quality control and to insure that suppliers follow the same quality procedure standards that are required by the auto manufacturers. febi has developed quality assessment standards and is utilizing industry standards organizations and quality audits to insure that our suppliers are in compliance and are supplying high quality parts. Are we always buying from the cheapest supplier? A resounding NO! We have rejected countless potential suppliers because their quality did not meet febi's standards.

You mention the 123-chassis Mercedes. This vehicle was produced from 1976 to 1985. The youngest of these vehicles is now more than 25 years old. OE German suppliers of automotive parts do not continue to produce all of the parts originally manufactured for these older vehicles "forever" for a number of sound business reasons - production capacity, product demand and profit potential are among the reasons. febi manufactures the chain tensioner for your model car. In 1998 we sold over 600 of this chain tensioner in North America. In 2010, we sold 62. Thanks to demand in other markets, we are still able to continue to manufacture this item. The demand for this part is now in the Middle East and former Eastern Bloc countries. The continuing decline in demand for these parts coupled with price point pressure from the markets with high vehicle populations has caused many companies, including febi, to seek lower priced product to meet the demands of our customers.

In a business school model, which would be considered to be a bad business decision: to give up a significant amount of business by refusing to purchase product made in one country or; to work with known quality suppliers in that country to develop parts that meet the original equipment standards, and develop a quality assessment standard and testing to insure that product continues to meet the specifications. Anyone would have to agree that the first choice is a bad business decision.

As stated previously, parts made in China (or Taiwan) comprise less than 13% of febi's total program. We still source more than 38% of our program from Germany and over 67% from Europe. Many of these parts are from OE suppliers, including some of the product made in China. Remember that companies like VW have production facilities in China, and use local content parts to build those vehicles. It is not significantly different than current production for the VW Touareg / Porsche Cayenne / Audi Q7 - all "Good German Cars". However, all of these are assembled in Slovakia. Take a look at where Mercedes produces vehicles today... a far cry from the old "made in Germany" days of old.

As far as "shave manufacturing costs" is concerned, let me relate a situation that happened with febi. febi (in addition to manufacturing and distributing automotive parts) is a manufacturer of various machined metal products for industry. We had a contract to manufacture precision cutter rollers for a company that manufactured paper shredders. We had manufactured these parts for this company for years. They received a quotation from a Chinese company that was about 10% lower than the febi price. After negotiating with our union employees and material suppliers we were able to reduce the price by the 10% amount. Our customer was delighted to receive our revised quotation. The Chinese company reacted by cutting their quote in half. There was absolutely no way to meet that price level with production in Germany, and our customer moved their business to China. Assuming that the Chinese company can produce the same level of quality (an NC mill or lathe correctly programmed and operated in China is fully capable of producing the same level of quality as one located in Germany), why would any business choose to pay 50% more for the same item?

In short the message here is that febi still is the company who will provide a high quality replacement part (at a fair price) for the cars our customers and the car owners love, regardless of where the part is produced.


Best Regards,

Jeff Lateer
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Sales Manager North America

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Old 02-07-2011, 04:23 PM
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Lemforder is the OE MB engine mount for the w123. At least last winter when I did mine, I bought them from the dealer and the fastlane picture of the lemforder, complete with two blue dots and all the casting marks was identical (and cheaper).
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The reply from Febi-Bilstein was very interesting, and I have seen many instances where a brand-name has simply repackaged another manufacturere's product.
For this discussion, it would be helpful to mention the actual brand-name (if any) of the Chinese parts that were defective or failed prematurely.
So far, I've heard about the failure of some Chinese URO parts. The defective Chinese flex-joint I returned wasn't a Febi parts, but came in a plain whie box with some unfamiliar German writing.
Has anyome here actually had problems with any Febi-Bilstein or Bosch parts made in China?

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Speaking of parts made in odd places.... I bought a multilink rear rebuild kit and it was made by Karlyn. MADE IN THE USA!!!!
I might start using them as my personal preference.
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With the demise of unions and a desperate workforce here in the States, we may see a lot more manufacturing come back.

I work in the VOIP field and we see a lot of call centers moving back from overseas. Not into brick & mortar centers, but remote VOIP users. People can WFH and be tied into their call center queues.

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