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616 power rating
So my 1982 240d has a plack under the hood stating it makes 65 hp but from what i have read (and in wikipedia) in 1978 it was updated and then uprated to 72hp. um.. what gives? did mercedes make a change and then just not change the under-hood badges? that doesnt sound very german, not that it really maters i just thought it was weird.
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I don't know why it's different, but remember that their are plenty of different ways of measuring power; with or without accessories attached, different operating air pressures and temperatures, different exhaust resistance, different emissions equipment installed, etc.
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I would guess mercedes has a testing startard of some sort.
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I don't think it was ever 72 HP, it never got out of the 60's IIRC.
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Offhand I believe that to be true...
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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Wikipedia-----
The OM616.916 was a 2.4 L (2404 cc) engine with power output of 65 hp (48 kW). In August 1978 the precombustion chamber was updated for more swirl and more efficient combustion. The engine capacity was lowered to (2399 cc) to satisfy engine displacement tax laws in europe, but power output rose to 72 hp (54 kW). Some Applications:Ehow.com----- Engine and Transmission
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btw, im not argueing just trying to figure out whats true and whats not
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The 616 in the XX7d vans were rated at higher horsepower than the automobile versions. Different IP I think.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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MB used to use DIN & most in the USA used SAE. Its like comparing a draft horse with a pony!
Its only a number, how the car performs overall is far more important.
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Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort.... 1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket. 1980 300D now parts car 800k miles 1984 300D 500k miles 1987 250td 160k miles English import 2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles 1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo. 1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion. Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving |
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what does european vs american stardards have to do with the question? It appears there are two different ratings i just want to know if there was a update of some kind or if it is just some more internet b.s. and even though it is only a couple of hp it would be interesting to know what was changed.
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FYI
Der Motor OM 621 sowie seine nur wenig veränderten Nachfolger OM 615 und OM 616 sind Dieselmotoren mit Vorkammereinspritzung und vier Zylindern in Reihe, entwickelt und produziert von Mercedes-Benz.
Mercedes-Benz OM 615/OM 616/OM 617/OM 621 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM_615/OM_616/OM_617/OM_621 Mercedes-Benz Baureihe 123 Die Baureihe 123 war das bisher meistgebaute Modell von Mercedes-Benz. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Baureihe_123 |
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Quote:
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Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort.... 1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket. 1980 300D now parts car 800k miles 1984 300D 500k miles 1987 250td 160k miles English import 2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles 1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo. 1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion. Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving |
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Time to learn german
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1996 s10 zr2 with a 6.5 turbo diesel 1996 c2500 suburban with a 6.5 turbo diesel 1981 300sd with a turbo 617 Monte carlo figure 8 car |
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Copy the link, go into Google, and you can translate it.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_OM_615/OM_616/OM_617/OM_621 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_Baureihe_123 Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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So another place that says it should be rated as 72 hp. the under hood plate still says 65 hp.
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