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Old 11-21-2012, 12:07 AM
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IIRC,

There used to be a MBZ tool that screwed into the BLOCK near the timing device and locked the engine from rotating.....617 engine of course...

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Old 05-08-2016, 12:03 PM
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Diesel911, great write-up and pics, it helped me a lot in getting started in loosening the 4 IP mounting bolts for the upcoming IP timing adjustment.

I was able to break free and loosen the rear bolt without removing the oil filter housing pipes or the rack damper bolt. You're right that the rack damper bolt blocks the view of said bolt, but I was able to see it by looking straight down between engine block and the oil filter housing (this is absolutely necessary in order to place the gear wrench on the bolt). Here is a pic of the gear wrench in place, with a pipe resting on it which I hammered on with a mallet to break it free.

The hardest bolt to loosen for me was actually the front bolt between IP and block, which I had to get the wires out of the way to maneuver the 13 mm socket on a 3/8" wobble extension/ratchet.


This is the Gear Wrench bought from Lowes, it has 4 sizes 8,10, 12, 13 mm. It is straight and not angled like most gear wrenches and sits on the bolt squarely without shifting. Real handy wrench to have.



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The first thing I loosened was the hard to get at Rear Support Bolt at the Bottom Rear of the Fuel Injection Pump. I found in order to see it I had to remove the Rack Dampener Bolt. (See Pic)

The only 2 tools (13mm) I had that would turn the Rear Support Bolt were an S shaped Obstruction/Clearance Wrench and a double ended Box Wrench (½“). With them I was able to loosen the bolt. (See pic)
Of the 2 the Box wrench grabbed better because not much of the Bolt Head sticks out and the head of the Wrench extends out and grabs more of the Bolt Head than the other wrench did. (See pic)

(A extra long 13mm Combination Wrench and especially a longer double end Box Wrench might have worked much better.)
Although I got the Bolt Loose the cramped area did not allow me to turn the Wrench much and it was hard to keep the Wrench on the Bolt.
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When I installed the SuperPump I was able to get the bolts loose with only minor heartburn but I could NOT slide the old pump back far enough with the filter housing in place. It wasn't TOO bad to remove and replace the housing though it did fight me here and there. Getting the first filter housing bolt started was the hardest part.

Interesting side note: When I pulled the housing oil, of course, went all over the place. I had a pan under there but it seemed like the oil went everywhere the pan was not. So I cleaned the flanges, installed a new gasket, and bolted everything back together. No leaks but the weird part was that the oil level wasn't down at all! Evidently I didn't lose all that much even though it looked like the oil equivalent of a murder scene.

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Old 05-09-2016, 12:07 AM
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Why was it difficult to get the first filter housing bolt started? Would it help if one of the bolts was replaced with a stud and a nut? Is that possible?

Next time, remove the oil filter housing lid fasteners and lift it up an inch before you remove the oil connections. I believe that will drain the housing.
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Why was it difficult to get the first filter housing bolt started? Would it help if one of the bolts was replaced with a stud and a nut? Is that possible?

Next time, remove the oil filter housing lid fasteners and lift it up an inch before you remove the oil connections. I believe that will drain the housing.
That's how I finally got it together. I installed an alignment stud (a bolt with the head cut off and a point ground on the cut-off end) in one of the holes and slid it in place, then I removed the stud and installed that bolt. I didn't happen to have a stud and did have the alignment stud (I have a drawer full of them) so I went that way.

I thought of pulling the filter element and draining the canister but didn't think it would leak all that much. I was wrong!

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Old 05-09-2016, 02:54 PM
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Why was it difficult to get the first filter housing bolt started? Would it help if one of the bolts was replaced with a stud and a nut? Is that possible?

Next time, remove the oil filter housing lid fasteners and lift it up an inch before you remove the oil connections. I believe that will drain the housing.
funola I am just adding this response to the PM here. The on the pic the area inside the green circle is what I considered indented.
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trying to pull the IP for gasket replacement...

On my '79 240D I can't even get to the cap screws. Sure, the rear one comes off...I got under the car and finally removed the bottom cap screw on the support bracket....

But some Rhodes Scholar installed the upper bracket cap screw in spite of the fact that a normal socket will not go over the head an account of the head of the cap screw being too close to the bend in the bracket. A follow-up search of the web showed the thin-wall 13mm socket difficult to find, although I know they are out there.
I considered Diesel911's suggestion about the slot, but the bracket remains in the way if the slot is added, and the IP cannot move back to be removed with this bracket in place.
Couldn't this exercise be a little easier by replacing all 3 of those cap screws with Allen head fasteners? Wouldn't it be easier to use a ball-end Allen wrench on these fasteners? Time will tell, I'll pick up a few of the correct size and try them out.
I spent far too much time yesterday assuming inverted gymnastic positions attempting combinations of sockets, combination wrenches, extensions.... it just seems a ball-end Allen could negotiate the path to the fastener locations a lot easier.
And this is on a 240D! With the A/C removed! From underneath, you can get only one hand on the wrench.
I'll go ahead and try this and report back on the results.
To me it's a head-scratcher- why didn't Mercedes try this? It's not that Allen or "triple-square" fasteners are unfamiliar to them...

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On my '79 240D I can't even get to the cap screws. Sure, the rear one comes off...I got under the car and finally removed the bottom cap screw on the support bracket....

But some Rhodes Scholar installed the upper bracket cap screw in spite of the fact that a normal socket will not go over the head an account of the head of the cap screw being too close to the bend in the bracket. A follow-up search of the web showed the thin-wall 13mm socket difficult to find, although I know they are out there.
I considered Diesel911's suggestion about the slot, but the bracket remains in the way if the slot is added, and the IP cannot move back to be removed with this bracket in place.
Couldn't this exercise be a little easier by replacing all 3 of those cap screws with Allen head fasteners? Wouldn't it be easier to use a ball-end Allen wrench on these fasteners? Time will tell, I'll pick up a few of the correct size and try them out.
I spent far too much time yesterday assuming inverted gymnastic positions attempting combinations of sockets, combination wrenches, extensions.... it just seems a ball-end Allen could negotiate the path to the fastener locations a lot easier.
And this is on a 240D! With the A/C removed! From underneath, you can get only one hand on the wrench.
I'll go ahead and try this and report back on the results.
To me it's a head-scratcher- why didn't Mercedes try this? It's not that Allen or "triple-square" fasteners are unfamiliar to them...

Cheers!


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I am not sure which one you mean.

Are you speaking the absolute upper capscrew that bolts the Fuel Injection Pump to the rear bracket that bolts the Fuel Injection Pump to the rear bracket or one of the 2 block to rear lower bracket capscrews.

In the Manual in order to get at the absolute upper capscrew on a 617.952 rear lower bracket it has to remove the Oil Cooler Hose that blocks the view and range of moation of a wrench.

When it is time to re-assemble that hard to get at capscrew you will find if you put enough flat washers under it you can fix it so the head of the Cap screw has enough protrusion to get a wrench on.
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Old 06-11-2016, 10:15 PM
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All three...

Just to allow removal, which should be easier, inserting an Allen key rather than wedging in a box wrench or socket...


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