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Old 04-16-2011, 01:38 AM
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timing chain master link clip style 616

does anyone have a clip style master link that they'd like to sell? I'd like to use it for the sole purpose of rolling in my new chain. I do not plan on using it to secure the chain for actual use. I cannot find them for sale anywhere.

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Old 04-16-2011, 01:47 AM
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If you can not find one.... rest assured that with a double roller chain... and pressure on it all the time... there is almost ZERO side pressure... no way for it to get out in that small distance ...
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Old 04-17-2011, 11:37 PM
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If you can not find one.... rest assured that with a double roller chain... and pressure on it all the time... there is almost ZERO side pressure... no way for it to get out in that small distance ...
have you done it that way?
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Old 04-18-2011, 01:09 AM
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Have you done it that way and had a problem ?
So in theory "there is almost ZERO side pressure"?

It sounds to me like samboyellowsub does not want to test the theory out.
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So in theory "there is almost ZERO side pressure"?

It sounds to me like samboyellowsub does not want to test the theory out.
Do you understand what a Double Roller Chain configuration IS ? Ever looked at one ?

AND we are talking about keeping pressure on it.... as per the FSM instructions... and moving it HOW many FEET ? 6 , 7 ,8 ?

Yes, you can consider it ZERO side pressure. Lots of stuff in the archives if you can not figure it out by looking at the chain and sprockets yourself or do not trust my description of it....
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So in theory "there is almost ZERO side pressure"?

It sounds to me like samboyellowsub does not want to test the theory out.
So how about THIS :

YOU tell us where that side pressure would or could come FROM ?
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:29 AM
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So how about THIS :

YOU tell us where that side pressure would or could come FROM ?
This reminds me of a joke I was told; it goes like this.

A man ask an Irishman why do the Irish always answer a question with a question. The Irishman answers "Oh do they now".

If it has not been tested it is a theory; as in unproven.

(Suppose the person installing the Timing Chain Sneezes or worse yet His or Her Spouse decides to bother them at a critical moment in the installation and tension on the timing Chain is lost.)

I knew I would take some heat on this
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Losing tension will not necessarily do anything to the pin... there is still no ' prime mover' to give it any sideways pressure...
but there will be problems from not keeping tension on the chain during the roll in..
There is plenty of friction on the pin... and nothing touching it on either end to push it...
therefor... no side pressure....
We are not talking about running the chain like this... just pulling it all the way through the engine...
Did you know that the pin is HORIZONTAL through all of its travel ? Like not pointed DOWN...in which case Gravity Could cause it to move... but you have Gravity working on all of it in the same direction which would tend to keep it exactly where it is placed in the chain to start with...
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Old 04-18-2011, 12:41 PM
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does anyone have a clip style master link that they'd like to sell? I'd like to use it for the sole purpose of rolling in my new chain. I do not plan on using it to secure the chain for actual use. I cannot find them for sale anywhere.

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NO..

MB specifically forbids the use of clip style master links on their diesel engines.

The master link has been superseded six times.

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Old 04-18-2011, 01:46 PM
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MB have two chain kit options. Continuous that should be used on a rebuild and split for rolling in. The split kit has (should have – mine did) two links, one clipped for pulling through and one for riveting the permanent joint. Are you sure your chain is OEM?

With regard to pulling through with the riveting link it is my guess that there is an 80-95% chance that the outer plate will fall off on the way through due to shaking and vibration. In my opinion a “VERY BAD IDEA”. Do it at your peril! The pins protrude through the plate only about 0,5mm.
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:36 PM
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THIS IS A SPECIAL TOOL ONLY FOR ROLLING IN THE CHAIN, AND MUST BE REMOVED...

Fastlane: Timing Chain Master Link, Double Row, NOTE: Not for Diesels
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:42 PM
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Whunter,
Do you have the part number and a picture of the tool or jig which attaches above the cam to keep the chain in contact with the cam sprockets ?
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:50 PM
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Do you have the part number and a picture of the tool or jig which attaches above the cam to keep the chain in contact with the cam sprockets ?
The factory tool was discontinued many years ago.


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Old 04-18-2011, 07:00 PM
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My paper manuals were printed Many Years Ago..
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It looked like a very useful tool...
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