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Old 04-26-2011, 08:49 PM
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what I read about DC wiring, you under rate wire size due to the current demand. in A/C current, there is a break in the phase as the ac cycles 60 times per second. DC of course does not do this. the current is continuous.
That's true, but AC values are usually expressed as RMS values, which account for this; the heating effect is the same. DC wiring is often under-rated to reduce voltage drop, though.

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#10 is not capable of sustaining 30 amps of DC 12 volt current safely...
Yeah, you're correct. I should be using a 15A instead according to the wire gauge tables. Peak current draw on transmit is 12A for the radio I'm using. I can't for the life of me remember why I stuck a 30 in there. I should swap it out.

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Old 04-26-2011, 08:55 PM
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Just looked at the chart you linked to, and I agree that those wire sizes look really small. They're clearly just based on voltage drop, not heating effect on the wire. Car companies themselves seem to do this a lot; my diesel VW used a single 12-ga. wire for all four glow plugs.

Acceptable voltage drop depends a lot on what you're powering and whether you're operating it with the engine running or stopped, too. I transmit a lot with the engine off, so I can't afford to lose too many tenths of a volt or the transmitter power starts dropping off.

EDIT: Here's a standard AWG table...these ought to be safe unless you start running really long lengths, in which case voltage drop will rear its ugly head again.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
The 'chassis wiring' column assumes wires in open air; the 'power transmission' column assumes wires in a bundle.
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Watch the temperature of your charger, most inverters are modified-sine which is really more like a square-wave which is less efficient and can in some chargers get pretty hot.
Super hot. I run one in my MB and my diesel coach. The inverter gets reeal hot, but I've not experienced any problems - yet.
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Vstech is correct.

I check my SDL and the cigar lighter circuit is rated 8A or 96W. It should be enough for most laptop but check the power pack rating first.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:11 AM
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Vstech is correct.
this has a nice ring to it...
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Super hot. I run one in my MB and my diesel coach. The inverter gets reeal hot, but I've not experienced any problems - yet.
You need to experience the luxury of a couple of 4000watt Outback inverters in your coach (or Trace) pure-sine-wave.
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You need to experience the luxury of a couple of 4000watt Outback inverters in your coach (or Trace) pure-sine-wave.
Only if the coach has (4) slides.
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No, once you've had one, you will not do without. I put my first one (2500watt Heart) on my '77 BlueBird, with a 300a alternator I could run one roof A/C without the genset running, the refrigerator, microwave, all outlets, TVs & entertainment systems, ... really handy and saves genset run time for stupid little things. Well worth the money IMO even if you don't dry-camp.
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you guys ought to see the Newell coach I'm working on... it's a74 model, no slides, really nice condition (for sale if anybody is looking) nice kholer genset I'm rebuilding, and dual battery banks with isolation solenoids and solar.
I'm working on getting the charger/inverters set properly. fun fun.

I've also got an older bluebird I think converted city bus... about 1/3 of the way through remodel...
either of you guys know a great place to list them?
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"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

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1987 190D 2.5Turbo
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1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

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you guys ought to see the Newell coach I'm working on... it's a74 model, no slides, really nice condition (for sale if anybody is looking) nice kholer genset I'm rebuilding, and dual battery banks with isolation solenoids and solar.
I'm working on getting the charger/inverters set properly. fun fun.

I've also got an older bluebird I think converted city bus... about 1/3 of the way through remodel...
either of you guys know a great place to list them?
Know 'em well! I just missed buying a '91 Newell 9-years ago that I really liked. It was in my price range at the time of $120K too. Wonderful coach!

A friend works at Newell - know another guy there too. Excellent coach!

Today, you just about have to have 2 to 3 slides to be livin'!
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RV?

After checking back in before installing the converter, I see I guess I should have just bought an RV. What the heck a driver too...What was I thinking. LOL
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Buy two RVs. Tow one behind the other, in case of mechanical difficulties with your diesel powerplant.

You can even ride in the back unit, so you don't have to hear the driver carp about the traffic.
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I've seen a diesel bus RV towing a sprinter RV, it happens.
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i've used a few cig plug in types on a few mini vans over the years, never blew a fuse or had a prob with laps
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