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"Won't Crank" vs. "Won't Start" vs. "Won't Turn Over"
OK, I think it's high time the Board established a firm convention for these terms. I propose the following:
Won't Crank (aka No Crank) means that the starter will not turn the engine. Won't Start (aka No Start) can mean either it won't crank then start, or it will crank and not start, therefore this phrase must have additional explanation. Won't Turn Over. To me this phrase means the same as "won't crank", i.e. the starter will not rotate the engine. However I believe that many take this phrase as the same as "won't start". Therefore due to the ambiguity this phrase should be eliminated. Thanks, I feel much better now. Rgds, Chris W. '95 E300D, 340K |
OMG ! This is a little issue of language that drives me nuts.
I have found that our usage of English in so many areas is becoming more washed due to laziness than anything else. I wish more people would take the time to listen or look at what they are trying to communicate (Text or verbal). You are correct. I have found that a common complaint is "it wont turn over". I want to ask if they are referring to a dog or an automobile. I agree that this term shoudl be eliminated simply due to its ambiguity and chronic misuse. Clearly a great definition should be made to distinguish between: Turn key, nothing happens. Turn key, engine rotates but will not fire and thus Start or Run. Great thread. |
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Hmm, how about 'not firing' when it turns over, but doesn't start?
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Won't Crank = the engine does NOT turn over.. Won't Start = engine cranks (running the battery down) but Fails to start. . |
In the dealer repair shop, we have two descriptions: "No crank no start" and "Crank no start", and that covers both cases of no start. No crank no start means that nothing happens when the key is turned; the starter does nothing. Engine will probably start normally once the no crank problem is fixed provided it isn't mechanically locked up, and that problem lies within the starting system.. Crank no start means that the starter turns the engine when the key is turned to the start position but the engine does not begin running on its own. That is an engine problem, not a problem with the starting system unless it's a slow crank that just doesn't turn the engine fast enough to allow it to start normally and the slow crank is not due to excessive engine drag.
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Grrr
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As long as we're on pet peeve words, how about "orientated", "nucular", "supposebly", and "irregardless" |
Futile effort?
I wish everyone posted here is concise and to the point. It does not happen like this in the real world, especially in Internet forum. All the experts just need to probe for more info to help. It is a fact of life. Sometimes they even do not list the car make, year and model and expect the experts to read their minds.
Does not turn over, crank, fire, start, could mean different things to different people. You can put a sticker at the top but I doubt it would be read. Just ask them to calm down and explain what actually happen or not happen. I will rest my case. |
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No Start-generally refers to a vehicle I haven't looked at yet. It doesn't start and that's all I know at this point. Engine will not crank-aka no crank. Turn key and either nothing happens or you get a click. Often weak batteries will have enough juice left to induce a click without being able to get the starter to turn the engine over. Engine cranks but will not start-exactly what it sounds like. While we're on linguistic pet peeves, I wish people would learn the difference between ensure and insure. I have a whole series of ASE study guides that uses insure where ensure would be correct. It's irritating. |
good idea anyone that doesn't ask the right crank/no start question can get a link to here
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I vote for this one:
"No crank no start" and "Crank no start" Resistance is Feudal. |
"No crank, No start" is redundant; I have yet to see an engine start with no crank. In the interest of brevity: "no crank," and "crank, no start," and add "start, no run."
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How about
No crank no! Put down the big stick and back away from the bell ringer... |
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