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W123 300D door retainer question - a CSI dating exercise!
G'day All,
I've just started stripping down the doors on my 300D for a little bit of refurbishment and repainting and I found some "interesting evidence"... On the driver's side of the car the doors lock mechanisms and door retainers are different from the other side of the car. Here are two pictures of the driver's side retainers And here's a picture of the retainer on the other side of the car The driver's side retainers look like they are a newer design, partly because they look newer, but also because the passenger side retainer looks like it is damaged. There are little wheels that run along the guides inside the retainer these are fitted to a shaft that has appears to be bent. Question 1:- Does anyone know when these retainers were upgraded / changed / introduced? Question 2:- Which door retainers are best? (I'm guessing the driver's side ones - but I thought I'd check) At sometime or other it looks as though the driver's side of the car has been treated to replacement doors => look at the paint difference on the inner surfaces Question 3:- Could it be that I have copy Mercedes parts on the driver's side?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! Last edited by Stretch; 05-23-2011 at 04:39 PM. Reason: Asked question 3 |
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clearly something is up. The door checks/retainers are painted to match the body.
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The driver's side ones are the OEM replacements you would get to replace the color matched originals. I have replaced checks in both cars and the originals are matched, but the replacements look like your DS one. The DS door checks are probably the most frequently replaced b/c they it's the most used door.
So, looks like PO replaced it at some point.
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I've only seen the driver's side version. They existed on my 85TD and I think they were OE. You do need to keep your balls lubricated.
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Thanks for the replies folks
I've also checked in the obvious place http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1981-Mercedes--Benz-300d-Body--Mechanical--Trim&yearid=1981%40%401981&makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES+BENZ%40%40X&modelid=6188%3AED|10000132%3AMBC|1503%40%40300D&catid=241766%40%40Body+Mechanical+%26+Trim&subcatid=241812@@Door+Check+-+Front&mode=PD Silly - I should have done that before. Anyway the driver's side door retainers are most definitely the copies - $40(ish) compared with $100(ish)
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The first 2 doors in your pic are clearly not original to your car.
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The sill and floor pan fix explains my wonky driver's seat => W123 wonky driver's seat I was worried about chassis alignment last year so I checked and checked this several times => How I adjusted the toe in / out, camber and caster on my W123 300D
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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I have parted several w123s but I have never come across the style of door check you had in your right door. But all the cars I worked on were 1980 or later. Possibly that's an early production part?
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Compared with my dirty one from the back door
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Wow, that means every one I've pulled out had been replaced. Guess it makes sense given the age of these cars, I just never thought about it.
BTW, the first time I read the subject line for this thread I thought you were going to give tips on dating a CSI... I used to have this thing for Helgenberger (Willows) but I decided she's too into the baddies LOL.
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Away, evil one!
Actually I had a bigger thing for Sofia Curtis, the Brit who played the LV CSI turned detective.... http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00038901.html
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I think these are early versions. I only seen these on 1976-1977 vehicles.
Regarding your doors, If they are factory manufactured pre-81, the corrosion protection is not as good as the after '81 parts. .
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I'd hit that!
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I bought a new door check strap from my MB dealer, and the one I got were the ones you pulled from the driver door
What's the part number stamped on this one?
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