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dieseldan44 06-14-2011 02:40 PM

Do I need to bleed both front and rear brakes....
 
...if I only opened the rear part of the system?

I replaced rear calipers and am bleeding them now.

Front calipers were not touched and the fluid in the entire system is less than 1 year old. Fluid never ran low on the front fluid reservoir during the rear brake job..

Do I need to bleed the fronts?


I would think no...but I think it's prudent to check :-)

thanks

tangofox007 06-14-2011 02:42 PM

No.

leathermang 06-14-2011 02:43 PM

I would say you do not need to bleed them..
but it is so much fun that I can not imagine you not doing it while you have the car there and are giving it the TLC it deserves...
That way all the fluid is NEW.... instead of half one year old and half new.....

Stretch 06-14-2011 02:55 PM

You're most likely to be OK so long as the fluid level in the reservoir didn't get too low. But if you are already working on the rear (for whatever reason) and you haven't touched the front brakes recently I'd advocate giving them a bit of a bleed too if only to make sure that everything is fine and dandy there too.

benhogan 06-14-2011 03:32 PM

the fluid will eventually mix via the centrally located MC.

remember that the brakes are in a criss-cross circuit (driver front/passenger rear and vice versa).

since you will be all dirty and greasy anyway, just bleed them all and do a complete brake fluid job.

tangofox007 06-14-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by benhogan (Post 2735538)

remember that the brakes are in a criss-cross circuit (driver front/passenger rear and vice versa).

In fact, you might want to forget that.

Maybe you are confusing brakes and power windows. For a W123, anyway.

leathermang 06-14-2011 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 2735552)
In fact, you might want to forget that.
Maybe you are confusing brakes and power windows. For a W123, anyway.

Subaru does that criss cross...but I do not think our MB's do...

Yak 06-14-2011 07:12 PM

Since you're in boston, I'd do a check on the front bleed nipples regardless. Make sure the rubber caps are in place, etc.

If the fronts weren't touched and you kept the reservoir at least partially full, then you can't have gotten air in the lines for the front so no need to bleed them for air.

If, while replacing the rear calipers and refilling and bleeding those lines, you let the fluid drop then yes, you do need to bleed the front lines because you may have let air get into them from the top.

tangofox007 06-14-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Yak (Post 2735658)

If, while replacing the rear calipers and refilling and bleeding those lines, you let the fluid drop then yes, you do need to bleed the front lines because you may have let air get into them from the top.

You might want to take a closer look at the design features of the brake fluid reservoir.

Renntag 06-14-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseldan44 (Post 2735492)
...if I only opened the rear part of the system?

I replaced rear calipers and am bleeding them now.

Front calipers were not touched and the fluid in the entire system is less than 1 year old. Fluid never ran low on the front fluid reservoir during the rear brake job..

Do I need to bleed the fronts?

No, you dont NEED to bleed the fronts, but understand that 99% of brake component failure is due to lack of proper service and maintenance. Brake fluid is hydroscopic, (Absorbs water from air). Many believe it is very important to change your brake fluid annually, biannually at minimum.

So why go through all this effort and not at least "flush" the front half of the system?

tangofox007 06-14-2011 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Renntag (Post 2735717)
...understand that 99% of brake component failure is due to lack of proper service and maintenance.

And 83% of statistical data cited on the internet is totally fabricated!

toomany MBZ 06-15-2011 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by benhogan (Post 2735538)
remember that the brakes are in a criss-cross circuit (driver front/passenger rear and vice versa).

The front most section of the reservoir is for the rear brakes, the fronts have two lines.

dieseldan44 06-15-2011 08:28 AM

Thanks guys.

I am all for flushing fluids and PM - but I just did it last August and I know I'll have the front end of the car up later this summer for tie rod replacement and a wheel bearing repack, so I'll flush the fronts then.

compu_85 06-15-2011 09:11 AM

Lots of cars have X brake systems. Old Mercedes do not.

DeliveryValve 06-15-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dieseldan44 (Post 2735947)
Thanks guys.

I am all for flushing fluids and PM - but I just did it last August and I know I'll have the front end of the car up later this summer for tie rod replacement and a wheel bearing repack, so I'll flush the fronts then.

MB maintenance schedule states to flush once a year during the spring. Reason is moisture contamination is higher during winter season.

The system as a whole will still get contaminated if only the rears are flushed.

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