there are some types of jump boxes that will start your car through the cig adapter, but they don't jump your car, they fast charge it with high voltage. 16v I think... fed into the lighter until 20 or 30 minutes have passed, then your battery should be able to start your car.

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

A good jump box has a short-ish set of jumper cables, not a cigarette lighter plug. To get enough amps to crank over our cars needs a pretty strong electrical connection, either directly to the battery cables or to the starter itself.

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'93 190E/D 2.5 Turbodiesel 5-speed (daily driver)
'87 190D 2.5 Turbo rustbucket - parts car
'84 Dodge Rampage diesel - Land Speed Record Holder
'13 Ram 2500 Diesel
'05 Toyota 4Runner

I have never understood those jumper cable jaws... the one place you need some contact width... they do not have it...

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1980 240d ,

chain elongation, cam marks reference:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html

evap fin cleaning:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator

A/C thread

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html

... most batteries are less than 16" wide... the boxes are designed to connect to the battery terminals...

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

John , I was talking about the toothed inside of the jumper cable ends that hook onto the battery post... they need to be thicker metal...or have the surface bent to allow more contact area so it is not a bottleneck in terms of electrical flow..

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1980 240d ,

chain elongation, cam marks reference:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html

evap fin cleaning:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator

A/C thread

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html

Now that you have the answers, and all good one`s.
There is a buzzer in the system to alert you when you leave the lights on. think it is time you repair it before the next memory laps over takes you.

Look at the battery as a 6000 gallon water tank. the more water in the tank, the more pressure that comes out of the pipe.

Lets say you left the fawcet open all night (left lights on) and drained the tank (battery). you open the valve (turn the key) , nothing comes out (starter does not turn over). you then stick in a garden hose (Jumper cable) and let it run to fill the tank (Battery) . then open the valve (Turn key) in a few minutes and a dribble comes out. (Hear a click)

You have a bad connection at the hose fitting (Battery post) and it leaks water. This will take longer to fill the tank (Battery).
Finally you get a 3 inch fire hose (AAA emergency Road service) to fill the tank (Battery). Within a few minutes you have enough volumn (Amps) in the tank (Battery) to opperate the services in your home, shower, dish washer, etc... ( Turn the Starter).

Goofy explaination, but you get the point.

OH the buzzer is the frying Pan your wife (GF) uses to wake you up.


Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

The buzzer needs to initiate a call to his cell phone....

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1980 240d ,

chain elongation, cam marks reference:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html

evap fin cleaning:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator

A/C thread

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html

Call, phft. I think you can only text and surf the web on those devices now. Preferably when you are not driving.

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1987 300TD 309, xxx 2.8.2014 10,000 mile OCI


Be careful of the toes you step on today, as they may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow. anonymous

“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter won’t mind.” Dr. Seuss

Great explanation!!

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85 300D 75K Anthracite Grey 0-60 in 13 seconds **For Sale**
84 300D 333K Black (The Velveteen Rabbit) 0-60 in 14 seconds
00 Toyota Sienna 208K (Sold)
15 Subaru Outback 43K
11 Subaru Outback 67K
98 Ford Taurus 100K (Gertie - Was Grandma's - drove it to church and shopping - really) Daughter's car now.
30 Model A Ford 2 Door Sedan (Sold) 0-60 in . . . Never reached 60

I was going to disconnect my buzzer because of the annoying sound if I start to energize the glow plugs before I put my seat belt on. But I thought twice about it, fearing that I would not know if I left the parking lights on. Besides, when I unplugged to module, I think it interfered with the function of the interior lights coming on when I open the door. Best to leave the frying pan working.

Richard

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85 300D 75K Anthracite Grey 0-60 in 13 seconds **For Sale**
84 300D 333K Black (The Velveteen Rabbit) 0-60 in 14 seconds
00 Toyota Sienna 208K (Sold)
15 Subaru Outback 43K
11 Subaru Outback 67K
98 Ford Taurus 100K (Gertie - Was Grandma's - drove it to church and shopping - really) Daughter's car now.
30 Model A Ford 2 Door Sedan (Sold) 0-60 in . . . Never reached 60

...to take this further

The diameter of the hose is Amperage, and the pressure of the water is the Voltage.

A thin pressure washer hose is high voltage, few amps.

A ditch drainage hose is high amperage, low volts.

Amperage is gated by the diameter of the hose, you can only push so much through it, any more and it will melt / burst.

Voltage is not gated similarly. Voltage doesn't do the work, amperage does.

When you are charging a car battery, you need to push amps into it, not higher volts.

And did you know that an electron doesn't actually flow that fast in a wire? When you connect a wire to a battery, the electron you add in one end is not the same electron that pops out the other end.

The electron put in has a domino effect that knocks a neighbor electrons over by one, and this happens at the speed near to light. So an electron instantly pops out the other end.

That added electron will eventually find its way to the other side of the wire, but this happens at crawl. The gating factor is the diameter of the wire (it's gauge).

Another analogy is the diesel hard line to the injector. The pulse of inserting more fuel carries the power to open the injector on the other side, but it's the local fuel already in the injector that gets squirted - not what was just put in. It takes about 10 seconds for that newly added fuel to reach the injector when driving at speed. Some diesel heads don't realize this!

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Cheers!
Scott McPhee

1987 300D

The best looking set of jumper cable jaws I ever saw were attached to the front end of a AAA-dispatched tow truck. The cables came straight out through the grille of the truck, very heavy guage (maybe 2/0 sized welding cables), and had super-heavy duty looking clamps which appeared to be solid cast copper/bronze. These clamps were more heavy duty than you will find on the end of most welding ground clamps. Ohhh, to have a set of those...

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'93 190E/D 2.5 Turbodiesel 5-speed (daily driver)
'87 190D 2.5 Turbo rustbucket - parts car
'84 Dodge Rampage diesel - Land Speed Record Holder
'13 Ram 2500 Diesel
'05 Toyota 4Runner

It's all a matter of how much you want to spend:http://fireball-tech.com/Extreme_Q_D_Jumper_Cables.htm

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Sam

84 300SD 350K+ miles ( Blue Belle )

You could tweak it with a little custom wiring to the buzzer. Leave the connections for the things you want, disable the others. It's probably only a bit more difficult than disabling it completely.

Sticking with the swimming pool analogy, a charger is a garden hose used to fill the pool slowly from the top.

Jumper cables are a larger hose connected by a TEE fitting at the outlet that can provide the pressure and flow to the starter (as if the pool was full) and, if left connected, will also refill the pool from the bottom up...