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okto 07-07-2011 05:25 AM

Why are the fan blades uneven?
 
Just curious, does anyone know why the spacing of the fan blades round the hub on Mercedes cooling fans is non-regular?

t walgamuth 07-07-2011 05:30 AM

I imagine it has something to do with the noise generated. I wouldn't try to even them out;)!

layback40 07-07-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 2747924)
I imagine it has something to do with the noise generated. I wouldn't try to even them out;)!

Probably balance as well.
Best not try & improve what MB spent time & $$ optimizing.

KarTek 07-07-2011 06:49 AM

I believe most cars with larger fans are like this. I think it's to cancel some of the roar and harmonics.

engatwork 07-07-2011 07:07 AM

I've always thought it was to allow room to get to the crankshaft bolt.

lutzTD 07-07-2011 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 2747947)
I've always thought it was to allow room to get to the crankshaft bolt.


combination of both, allows room to work and reduces the blade pass frequency noise by changing the seperation distances. it give you # of blade different frequencies at low amplitude where an evenly spaced blade pattern gives one frequency at a high amplitude. They also use prime number of blades to eliminate multiple orders of frequencies

Jim H 07-07-2011 08:57 AM

For the same reason the tread on tires is not regular around the circumference. Even spacings generate a few specific frequencies while the uneven spacing gives some variation to the frequencies at any constant rpm.

Think how vibrato 'improves' a single musical note.

tangofox007 07-07-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lutzTD (Post 2747964)
They also use prime number of blades to eliminate multiple orders of frequencies

What would be an example of a non-prime number of blades?

scottmcphee 07-07-2011 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 2748016)
What would be an example of a non-prime number of blades?

6 is non-prime

scottmcphee 07-07-2011 10:28 AM

I thought the distribution of blades had something to do with balancing the loads on the water pump?

engatwork 07-07-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

I thought the distribution of blades had something to do with balancing the loads on the water pump?
If that was the case the fan would have to be "keyed" to the pump and fixed.

tangofox007 07-07-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by layback40 (Post 2747932)
Probably balance as well.

How would uneven spacing improve balance?

tangofox007 07-07-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmcphee (Post 2748019)
6 is non-prime

So is it really non-prime numbers that are a problem? Or is it even numbers? Or is it both?

leathermang 07-07-2011 11:19 AM

Maybe you should be counting the ' spaces ' instead of the blades...
both in number and spacing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3

http://www.yo-3a.com/yo3a6918007.html

lutzTD 07-07-2011 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by leathermang (Post 2748050)
Maybe you should be counting the ' spaces ' instead of the blades...
both in number and spacing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3

http://www.yo-3a.com/yo3a6918007.html


number of blades determines number of spaces, but its the trailing edge of the blade that makes the noise

primes are 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17 etc

heres why.


take an 8 blade fan, it will generate frequencies at multiples of 8, 4, 2, and 1

a 12 blade fan will generate frequencies at multiples of 12, 6, 4, 2, 3, 1


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