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1993 Mercedes 300D 2.5

1987 Mercedes 300D 3.0

2000 Volkswagen JETTA TDI diesel 5 speed

2002 Lexus ES300

2006 Lexus GS430

C4C was retarded, considering how much energy it takes to build a new car. Not to mention that it required buying a new car -- some of the cars wrecked could have been used to replace old cars that got EVEN worse MPG, where the owners couldn't afford to buy new.

Thanks, Obama & Co! (and I'm generally pretty liberal)

IIRC none of our mercedes qualified for CFC, certainly not the diesels.

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TC
Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

So why is that diesel getting crushed?

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1993 Mercedes 300D 2.5

1987 Mercedes 300D 3.0

2000 Volkswagen JETTA TDI diesel 5 speed

2002 Lexus ES300

2006 Lexus GS430

I wonder how many "ineligible" cars were actually clunked....

-J

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1991 350SDL. 230,000 miles (new motor @ 150,000). Blown head gasket

Tesla Model 3. 205,000 miles. Been to 48 states!
Past: A fleet of VW TDIs.... including a V10,a Dieselgate Passat, and 2 ECOdiesels.
2014 Cadillac ELR
2013 Fiat 500E.

I've seen over a hundred m117's powered MB's (450, 500 and 560) plus another hundred 380 and 420 powered MB's, and various newer MB V-8 in the yards with C4C orange paint on the engines. MB had plenty of C4C (stupid for the planet) early deaths.

Because the program was hastily and poorly designed and generally executed by misinformed imbeciles. I've tried really hard to forget it happened ...

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

That would be the definition of government from the Prez all the way down.

Those who can DO.... those who can't work for the government.

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R Martin
Dallas, TX (Addison)

86 560SEL, 128K

Its not just the clunker program. This country destroys endless perfectly usable things every day. Buildings, cars, appliances.....the list goes on. Practically any car in a california junk yard is going to be rust free and probably has some mechanical issues. Then they scrap them. Heck americans waste enough FOOD every day to feed small countries. All of this simply shows that "hard times" aren't exactly the case for most. If times were truly hard, no one would be wasting anything.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

Remember this thread I posted? 84 300SD in the Clunker program?

84 300SD CLUNKER

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

I think it had nothing to do with energy or clunkers or gas mileage. It was just an excuse to destroy old stuff so the government could stimulate the economy by having companies employ more people to make more new stuff.

I am happy with my old stuff, thank you very much.

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85 300D 75K Anthracite Grey 0-60 in 13 seconds **For Sale**
84 300D 333K Black (The Velveteen Rabbit) 0-60 in 14 seconds
00 Toyota Sienna 208K (Sold)
15 Subaru Outback 43K
11 Subaru Outback 67K
98 Ford Taurus 100K (Gertie - Was Grandma's - drove it to church and shopping - really) Daughter's car now.
30 Model A Ford 2 Door Sedan (Sold) 0-60 in . . . Never reached 60

If this Clunker program was to Stimulate the Economy, I think it was suppose to Stimulate the American Economy not the Foreign Economy.

Wasn`t it to get the American car Co`s up and running?

I know I sure saw a lot of nice cars in the yards under this program. there are a lot of good low milage parts that were crushed and gone forever. there were so many cars in the program, they were moved in and out fast and crushed.

I was talking to one of the workers a couple weeks back, and he said there are times that they get too many cars in, and can`t set them in the yard. so they just get crushed.

The whole thing was a feel good program.The politicians feel good that they acomplished something. the car buyer feels good that they got something for nothing or a good deal.
The Government put the country deeper in debt giving out tax credits and or money they didn`t have. the buyer went deeper in debt making payments for "XX" number of years on a car they may not have bought anyway, plus higher registration and insurance fees.


Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

Hey, praying for a double dip here, hope the budget talks flunk miserably and undo all of Obama & Co's "good" work. For one thing, I want housing to go even more into the toilet so I can pick up some cheap rental property and rent it to people who lost theirs!

For another, Dow 6000 would be awesome. Made some money last time round, but I didn't have the b@lls to go at it hard core -- this time I'll hit it hard.

Thats the way its suppose to be in todays Ultra rich ruling econony , Chinese crap is king and if you cant afford a well built car you go for a used one that last.Im suspecting the car companies want the hammer to go down on the old stuff so they can recycle it in to new chinese built imports with an american manufacturer name.It will come full circle eventually and bicycles made in China will be offered in 1,2, or 3 seat variety.I understand that most steel from the USA is being exported to China so this is not far off from being the real deal.First subject on any CEOs mind is cost and efficiency,its the killer of profits.Crashing cars through a Govt program to increase their sales would be a natural win / win scenario with zero cost to them .Plenty of money goes into employees who work for corporations that look for ways to screw you plenty of ways.

Bingo! C-4-C was a commodity metal grab by China, negotiated / taken from USA as material goods in lieu of yet more printed $USD paper stuff... USA has to repay that debt somehow. This was one way to pay a part.

Take money out of taxpayer pocket in exchange for their car to pay USA debt. You paid for your neighbor's clunker in that pile.

Then tell all Americans it's good for stimulating their economy. Brilliant, gun to the head plan, courtesy China.

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Scott McPhee

1987 300D