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Have you looked at the cam mark thread in my signature ?
Basically means you can not trust your chain elongation estimate...
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To the OP, there is a bit in the FSM that SOME pumps are offset by 3 teeth due to a problem from the bosch factory.
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I have not read instructions on how to use it but I bet it is the same 15 degrees ATDC after the Compression stroke just like the later models. That is the same timing degrees that the RIV,AB light references to. If he happend to have one of the IPs that needed the 3 tooth offset it would still flow time at the normal range of degrees.
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The FSM? Is the FSM you are referencing applicable to a '79 240D?
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Im referring to the W123 manual. I dont think the teeth being off applies here just a sugg.
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This is true. But the use of that port is very inaccurate do to chain wear etc. That does not mean one should not use it. Good call. |
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But, if you are unable to do the Drip Method and you need to get you Car on the Road; and, one of the Timing Pins will work on your IP a person could use that a get the job done. While using the Timing Pin does not compensate for wear inside of the Fuel Injection Pump it does compensate for Timing Chain/Gear stretch/wear.
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We should not get off-topic on anther's thread, but that is not correct. Being a few degrees off in a tight situation is not a big deal, however. |
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I am glad to hear that....since that IS the specified way to set it in the FSM... LOL
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But, what can be done to help others learn how to do it?
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I don't think it is a learning problem.... I think it is an ' avoiding it' problem... several really good threads with pics have been done.. have not looked at them lately... it is really straight forward once you have seen it done... I wonder if Whunter has or would do a video on it.. ? Or anyone else that wanted to... ?
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http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM617TimingChainStretch
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"It turns out that a number of IPs made in 1982 were mismarked, so that you actually have to set the driven element so that the wide mark is 3 splines PAST the timing mark. If you've done this, the pump works like any other. This information is clearly set forth in the OM617 engine manual, proving yet again that, even if you know how to do a job, RTFM first."
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