Off-Road Diesel - Who Enforces That It Not Be Used Over The Road? - Page 8 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

whunter · #**106** 08-11-2011, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by freesoul

Once you calmly assert your rights it completely changes the tone of the police in any encounter.

www.flexyourrights.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
watch part 2 also

Marvelicious · #**107** 08-11-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Me

OTOH, Its all pretty moot, since now that I think of it, I haven't been pulled over in almost a decade.

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

That kind of mentality is extremely dangerous. If you can justify stealing taxes with the "not been caught" excuse, what reason is there to not apply that mentality to something like pickpocketing, shoplifting or burglary? After all, you haven't been caught and nobody gets hurt!

No Lance, I pay for all my diesel and its all on-road, I'm not going to deny the cop dipping my tank because I'm illegal, I'll do it because he doesn't have the right. I also strongly disagree with our highest kangaroo court on the constitutionality of any kind of public checkpoints - sobriety or otherwise. I can see it in an airport, as you are entering a craft wholly owned by a private entity - I could ask to search anyone who wanted to enter my house too.

The bit about driving being a privilege has always rang false to me - I don't have to use the roads my taxes are paying for if I don't want to? I have the right to pauper myself by making myself virtually unemployable? I'll accept that there needs to be regulation and consequences - you can have voting and gun ownership taken away due to misbehavior for example - but between the cops and their revenue drives, the insurance companies with their protection racket and the militant PR machine MADD, I feel like my rights have been heavily marginalized.

I've got a whole pile of other unpopular opinions as well. Helmet laws, gun laws, that crap about corporations having no limit on political donations, right to work states, child support laws, the FCC not upholding net neutrality, the very existence of the homeland (in)security division, the way our legislative system allows lobbyists to essentially write our laws for us - lets just say our founding fathers may have never envisioned all the problems of our modern world, but they never would have sat still for what has become of it either. This isn't an age thing, because they keep stacking up the older I get!

freesoul · #**108** 08-11-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Where did you get that information from? and when did it change....the friend of my uncle I mentioned early in this thread was in PA, lived there, was caught there. And he landed well over $100,000 for a fine for his pickup truck. ( more than his total net worth was) Old guy in his 60's, crappy house, junk truck...on SSI. Its a certain amount minimum plus a certain amount over that for every gallon the vehicle can hold. Forget the exact numbers I was told back then. No it wasn't recently.

PA was my original stomping ground. And they don't miss a trick to separate anyone from their money.

I have no idea if it changed or when, I was looking at the PA motor vehicle statutes earlier. $100K? Friend of an uncle? Yeah I believe that

freesoul · #**109** 08-11-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whunter

video links

Oh cmon if you don't have anything to hide then why not do exactly as cops say?

great links!

Marvelicious · #**110** 08-11-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by freesoul

Oh cmon if you don't have anything to hide then why not do exactly as cops say?

I know people who actually think that way. Cops don't scare me, but that attitude does!

boneheaddoctor · #**111** 08-11-2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freesoul

I have no idea if it changed or when, I was looking at the PA motor vehicle statutes earlier. $100K? Friend of an uncle? Yeah I believe that

Well friend of my uncle and known to two other uncles that live nearby.

Yeah...I believed that uncle...and my other uncles, they were and are no nonsense types...Two of them were farmers in the area, both of those two drive diesel trucks....all of them have been dip checked. The guy in question lived 5 houses away down the street from him. There weren't that many people on that street. Everyone had multiple acres.

So few people around if someone was constipated everyone knew about it. (figuratively speaking)

Chas H · #**112** 08-11-2011, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Since our rights are established in the Bill of rights and the constitution...can you fill us in on where its established driving is a right?

Our rights are protected by the Bill of Rights, not established. The Declaration of Independence establishes our rights and their source.
Using your argument, were is the right to marry or inherit wealth established in the Bill of Rights?
The People have rights, the g'ment is privileged, and that is so because the g'ment exists by the whim of the people.

ForcedInduction · #**113** 08-11-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvelicious

I pay for all my diesel and its all on-road

Its not you I'm worried about, its that train of thought. You're providing an excuse for others, who might not be very smart, with an "oh yeah!" moment they were looking for to justify trying it.

Daman858 · #**114** 08-11-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

Where did you get that information from? and when did it change....the friend of my uncle I mentioned early in this thread was in PA, lived there, was caught there. And he landed well over $100,000 for a fine for his pickup truck. ( more than his total net worth was) Old guy in his 60's, crappy house, junk truck...on SSI. Its a certain amount minimum plus a certain amount over that for every gallon the vehicle can hold. Forget the exact numbers I was told back then. No it wasn't recently.

PA was my original stomping ground. And they don't miss a trick to separate anyone from their money.

Bonehead, I think your uncle's friend was pulling your chain unless he a multiple, multiple offender or had a couple of tanker trucks of the stuff.

Here is the PA law copied and pasted right from their on-line laws:

d) Violations.--A person may not do any of the following: (1) Import, export or transport within this Commonwealth diesel fuel, other than dyed diesel fuel, without the permit required under subsection (a)(1). (2) Transport diesel fuel in this Commonwealth without the permit required under subsection (a)(1). (3) Operate a motor vehicle on the public highways of this Commonwealth with dyed diesel fuel in the fuel supply tank except as provided in subsection (c)(1). (4) Sell or deliver dyed diesel fuel from a retail pump unless the pump is properly labeled as required under subsection (b). (e) Criminal penalty.--A person who violates any provision of subsection (d) commits a summary offense and shall, upon conviction, be sentenced to pay a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $2,000 or to imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or both.
f) Civil penalty.--In addition to any penalty provided in subsection (d), a person who violates subsection (c)(1) or (2) shall be assessed a penalty of $1,000 or $10 per gallon of dyed diesel fuel involved in the sale, delivery or consumption, whichever amount is more. This amount shall be multiplied by the number of prior penalties imposed on the violator under this subsection. The resulting product shall be the penalty to be imposed.

Marvelicious · #**115** 08-11-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

Our rights are protected by the Bill of Rights, not established. The Declaration of Independence establishes our rights and their source.
Using your argument, were is the right to marry or inherit wealth established in the Bill of Rights?
The People have rights, the g'ment is privileged, and that is so because the g'ment exists by the whim of the people.

Exactly right. The Tenth Amendment is what limits their power from being simply "whatever they say it is." Of course, at this point our government exists more at the whim of its corporate sponsors... Still, I'm pretty sure all the founding fathers fell back on the position that if it gets too out of hand you can always shoot the SOB's. Thats the real argument behind the second amendment - to keep us safe from our own government.

Anyway, Lance, my comment about me not being pulled over was more to laugh at myself - its easy for me to be an armchair activist since I haven't had a cop want to search me or my fuel tank in a LONG time. As for providing excuses, people don't need my help with that, I've never met anyone who couldn't come up with plenty of their own - the more laws they break, the better they usually are at justifying it to themselves.

whunter · #**116** 08-11-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freesoul

Oh cmon if you don't have anything to hide then why not do exactly as cops say?

great links!

Because I have encountered many good police officers, who I have no issue cooperating with.

But I have also been subjected to abusive THUGS in uniform that thought they could trample on my constitutional rights and abuse me physically.

It is every citizens DUTY to resist abuse, even if it is passive resistance.

FYI: On topic, My 1985 300SD was dipped last week by DOT.
I pulled off the highway into a truck scale to check a nasty engine compartment noise.

They where extremely polite asking, and I had no issue.

They were kind enough to ignore me replacing the air cleaner bracket, despite the posted signs.

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Here is just one example of uniformed THUGS.

In the early 1980's I was pulled over in the rain on I-10 just west of Baton Rouge.
The officers were verbally abusive asked no questions just issued orders, not allowing me to talk.
I was handcuffed (in the rain) to a guardrail for an hour while he and his partner threw everything out of my car, ripped/sliced the door panels, seats and spare tire open.
When they where done they released me, giving me ten minutes to re-load or be arrested for littering..
I re-loaded quick, and tried to ask questions, their answer was threats of impounding my vehicle and arrest...
Soaking wet, I drove away cursing them for car damage and ruined service manuals...
They never asked me my name or for my drivers license/insurance.

I am lucky compared to some victims.

There have been many cases of abuse/corruption in Louisiana along I-10 that have gone to US court.

http://www.ndsn.org/FEB97/LOUSIANA.html

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2694.asp

w123fanman · #**117** 08-11-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by whunter

Because I have encountered many good police officers, who I have no issue cooperating with.

But I have also been subjected to abusive THUGS in uniform that thought they could trample on my constitutional rights and abuse me physically.

It is every citizens DUTY to resist abuse, even if it is passive resistance.

FYI: On topic, My 1985 300SD was dipped last week by DOT.
I pulled off the highway into a truck scale to check a nasty engine compartment noise.

They where extremely polite asking, and I had no issue.

They were kind enough to ignore me replacing the air cleaner bracket, despite the posted signs.

*****************************************

Here is just one example of uniformed THUGS.

In the early 1980's I was pulled over in the rain on I-10 just west of Baton Rouge.
The officers were verbally abusive asked no questions just issued orders, not allowing me to talk.
I was handcuffed (in the rain) to a guardrail for an hour while he and his partner threw everything out of my car, ripped/sliced the door panels, seats and spare tire open.
When they where done they released me, giving me ten minutes to re-load or be arrested for littering..
I re-loaded quick, and tried to ask questions, their answer was threats of impounding my vehicle and arrest...
Soaking wet, I drove away cursing them for car damage and ruined service manuals...
They never asked me my name or for my drivers license/insurance.

I am lucky compared to some victims.

There have been many cases of abuse/corruption in Louisiana along I-10 that have gone to US court.

http://www.ndsn.org/FEB97/LOUSIANA.html

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/26/2694.asp

So, did you file a complaint or press charges against the "protectors"? Unfortunately as said earlier the court will trust the word of the cops over your word, and it could take a long time to get the judge to trust you more, as was seen here: http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10374909/detail.html
That was one of the initial articles, as it was a long time before they found out the cops shot themselves and the woman never touched a gun. To make it worse, the grandson of the woman was detained for hours so he couldn't tell the truth about what happened and then after it was found out the cops set it up, they arrested the guy because they found a 1/4 ounce of weed or something that tiny in a bag of his found at the house

piccolovic · #**118** 08-11-2011, 08:56 PM

The dyed fuel isn't taxed by the Feds . . . about $.25/gal. If you get caught driving with dyed diesel in your tank, it's a $10,000 fine to start. They will be required to do a dip for a sample and send it off for analysis to proved it's dye, and not Marvel's Mystery oil, which is red, and is approved as a fuel additive. Telling the DOT you put ATF in your tank can also get you a ticket for using an unauthorized additive, and the pricks at the California border have nailed a few truckers over the years for just that. As far as any tax on homemade biodiesel, I've never heard of any taxation for that. Some states, in fact (like Illinois) don't charge state tax on biodiesel, in an effort to encourage drivers to buy it, thereby helping their agriculture industry. If you're using dyed diesel, be careful . . . it can hurt financially if you get caught and get slammed for the whole fine.