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04 Diesel 07-30-2011 08:19 PM

vacuum under dash
 
What is the vacuum control valve called that is under the dash by the glove box? It is in a 1984 190D 2.2, I have two vacuum lines that are not holding vacuum. The two lines are #9, the green and blue stripe line, #10 the green and yellow stripe line. Does anyone know what these 2 lines go to?

Biodiesel300TD 07-30-2011 08:30 PM

Looks like Fastlane calls them vacumm elements.
http://catalog.peachparts.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=&yearid=1984@@1984&makeid=63@@MERCEDES+BENZ@@X&modelid=6119%3AED|10000092%3AMBC| 1481@@190D&mode=SS&yearid=1984@@1984&makeid=63@@MERCEDES+BENZ@@X&modelid=6119%3AED|10000092%3AMBC|14 81@@190D

Jeremy5848 07-30-2011 09:04 PM

That valve controls the various pods that open and close doors in the climate control system to make air go various places. Lines that won't hold a vacuum mean that the pod has a leaky or broken diaphragm. Some can be rebuilt, others have to be replaced. Some are easy to get at, others require pulling the dash, a PITA. I do not have any technical information on 201 cars so I can't tell you specifically what pods are controlled by those two lines. My 124 is similar (and based upon many things first introduced in your 201) but different.

Jeremy

04 Diesel 07-30-2011 09:07 PM

Would those 2 leaking lines cause my tranny to shift hard?

Jeremy5848 07-30-2011 09:51 PM

Possibly. Try removing the two leaking hoses from the valve and capping the two outlets. Use duct tape if you have nothing else -- anything to shut off the flow of air that's killing your vacuum.

04 Diesel 07-30-2011 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy5848 (Post 2761178)
Possibly. Try removing the two leaking hoses from the valve and capping the two outlets. Use duct tape if you have nothing else -- anything to shut off the flow of air that's killing your vacuum.

I will try that tomorrow, that vacuum element is a pain in the a$$ to get to.

sixto 07-30-2011 11:19 PM

The ACC supply line should have a check valve by the firewall so a leak doesn't mess with other consumers.

Sixto
87 300D

04 Diesel 08-06-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sixto (Post 2761225)
The ACC supply line should have a check valve by the firewall so a leak doesn't mess with other consumers.

Sixto
87 300D

So you are saying that even if I have a leak in those 2 lines it should not effect the way my tranny is shifting?

sjh 08-06-2011 09:22 AM

That's how it is designed but, of course, it may not be operating correctly.

You need a mity-vac (or the cheaper Harbor Freight knock-off), the vacuum diagram for your car, to read a few threads and ask a few questions.

We've ALL had to do the same thing.

sixto 08-06-2011 01:15 PM

Follow the lines to the engine vacuum pump distribution tree. Cap the lines that don't go the VCV. If the transmission shifts better, there are significant leaks elsewhere.

Sixto
87 300D

04 Diesel 08-06-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjh (Post 2765112)
That's how it is designed but, of course, it may not be operating correctly.

You need a mity-vac (or the cheaper Harbor Freight knock-off), the vacuum diagram for your car, to read a few threads and ask a few questions.

We've ALL had to do the same thing.

I have a mity vac, thats how I found the leeks.

sjh 08-06-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 04 Diesel (Post 2765472)
I have a mity vac, thats how I found the leeks.

Good.

Vacuum diagram?

04 Diesel 08-06-2011 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjh (Post 2765488)
Good.

Vacuum diagram?

no vacuum diagram.

sjh 08-06-2011 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04 Diesel (Post 2765508)
no vacuum diagram.


http://www.stinkbusters.net/vacuum.pdf
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Bob338 08-07-2011 08:21 AM

The 601 engine isn't included.

sjh 08-07-2011 10:51 AM

Does this help --

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/memb...cuum-lines.jpg

or this link --

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/105297-vacuum-diagrams-post2636770.html

If not here is a link to an external site claiming to be the FSM. I've been told if the FSM is hosted on an external site we can point to it.

FSM

If I am in error please delete my link.

Bob338, I am going to delete my posting of vacuum.pdf, make sure you keep what you want. I also suggest you download the FSM quickly, it may disappear.

You'll have to search though it your self to find the vacuum diagrams (I can't find them but others say they are there).

And then there is the Russian site. Enter your VIN -

Enter VIN

Bob338 08-07-2011 03:46 PM

Thanks, I already have, just in case.

That next one was out of EPC. Actually they are all helpful, the locations of some of the switchover valves is just a bit different but it provides the general picture.

The vacuum lines beyond those shown on EPC are really quite simple on the 122 and 601 engine (I have one.) I too had two leaks but mine were at the connectors at the switchover valve to the outside of the glovebox. I too hard hard shifting but in addition to those two leaks there were others. The main problem I had with hard shifting was the modulator on the tranny. When I changed that, and fixed the other 5 or 6 leaks in the vacuum system, all is GOOD.

The check valve referred to is right next to the electrical center, under the hood. Mine was fine. The modulator leak was the source of my hard shifting in addition to a switchover valve on the passenger side of the engine compartment right opposite the battery.

sjh 08-07-2011 05:11 PM

Great.

Take care.

PS - Where in Calif. I'm in the SF Bay area.

Bob338 08-07-2011 06:00 PM

Near Placerville. Coloma to be more specific.

04 Diesel 08-07-2011 06:25 PM

Thankyou, very helpfull

sjh 08-07-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 04 Diesel (Post 2766002)
Thankyou, very helpfull

Great. So many have helped me here I'm glad I could start to repay.

sjh 08-07-2011 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob338 (Post 2765985)
Near Placerville. Coloma to be more specific.

Gold country!

I was rafting on the American River yesterday. A gift from my friend for my birthday. It's been a wonderful weekend.

Bob338 08-08-2011 02:19 PM

As you rafted out of the canyon about a mile above Coloma and the mill site, the last hill on your left has my house sitting over the river about 1000' up. You should have waved!

sjh 08-08-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob338 (Post 2766468)
As you rafted out of the canyon about a mile above Coloma and the mill site, the last hill on your left has my house sitting over the river about 1000' up. You should have waved!

Instead I'd rather move in for a week. :D:D:D


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