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This looks like a deal - BOGE Nivomat shock absorbers set of 2 Volvo 244/264 | eBay Sixto 87 300D |
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They're slow compared to the turbo version, and definitely slow compared to a lot of modern cars, but not really slow compared to a 240D or even a 300D Turbo. The B230 makes 110 to 120 horsepower in normally-aspirated form. An OM617 turbo makes 125 horsepower. You do have to rev the Volvo engine a little harder because it's gasoline and the torque peak is higher.
It's definitely not the smoothest engine the world -- 2.3L is big for a 4-cylinder -- but if he's had a 240 in the past he already knows about that.
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Springs and shocks have to be replaced. The springs don't do much when the Nivomats are installed so they're too weak for regular shocks. The Nivomats are redunkulously expensive.
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I suppose I've made a habit of owning acceleration-challenged vehicles over the last several years, the slowest of which was a Mercedes camper-conversion van (406D) equipped with a similar 2.4L n/a as my 240D! I've had diesel Land Rovers and Land Cruisers. My 4cyl Camry wagon was probably the fastest car I've owned. I don't know what I'd do with a fast car, to be quite honest... I've gotten used to driving at or below the speed limit, and driving smart to maneuver through traffic in spite of low HP. Fuel economy is more important to me than speed, any day of the week. (having said all this, If money/space was no object, I wouldn't mind having a Porsche 911 in my "stable" )
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Heh, I hear you. My slowest was a Vanagon Diesel camper. 48 horsepower to move two tons.
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940=no nivomats
I'm pretty sure that the nivomats were only on the higher end vehicles, the ones that end in '60' (760, 960). The 945, being a replacement for the 745 shouldn't have them.
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For example, Volvo sold a "940se" with the IRS from the 960 and Nivomats. Cars badged as 940 turn up with front ends from 960s, 940 Turbos, sometimes mild variances on the late 740. I think Volvo in Sweden and Belgium started to lose track of what they were sending to Halifax for bolting together. In any case I just wanted to flag the Nivomats issue. For me they were always a close second in the pointless feature sweepstakes behind their version of the PRV V6....
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Woh, that sounds brutal! I can just imagine going up a hill with that camper. Reminds me of a nasty steep curvy hill on a 2 lane secondary road that I just managed to clear with the MB camper with all its 68hp! Finally had to downshift into 1st, with a whole lineup of cars behind me, and just barely cleared the crest of the hill, praying and cussing at the same time . Man that truck was slow, but a thing of beauty inside, all wood cabinetry, old-world craftsmanship. And those large 70's MB delivery vans were built like tanks! Ahhh, memories...
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I think part of the reason for that is a hard-to-get-rid-of belief that simpler is better and cheaper to maintain, in the long run, than complex. The new breed of cars are obviously not designed with the DIYer in mind, and the complexity of computers, sensors, relays, solenoids, and other sensory and control paraphernalia, turns the car into a "black box" almost impossible to figure out without training and sophisticated instrumentation, meaning that dealers become almost the only ones who can maintain the cars, contributing to their profit line. If a car was a benign and reliable appliance like a washing machine, I wouldn't mind too much, just get in, turn the key, and go. But as we know, car components wear out and break down regularly, and diagnosing and repairing those problems is costly and disruptive. Obviously, the reality is that the kind of car that is relatively simple, easy to figure out and fix at home with commonly available parts, is getting rarer with time, given the ravages of time (rust, accidents, neglect). So one day I may just say "the heck with it" and join the crowd driving newer and similar-looking cars. But for now at least, I'll still keep looking for good 15-20 year old cars such as the Volvo RWD or W123/124 Benz that was the subject of this post. Cheers.
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I must admit it was remarkably cost-effective, but obviously not for everyone. Worrying about transporting a family in vehicles that are one step from the recycler would taxe one's nerves. Being single, I didn't have that concern.... I purchased a series of $300-500 cars that were at the end of their use for most people but that I could keep on the road with a combo of my limited wrenching skills and a cheap shop we had locally at the time. Ever since then I defend old Dodge Caravans against all comers . The best beater was the $350 Volvo 740 Turbo with 455k... but I managed to park that on the lawn of the local police station in an awful snowstorm (the lawn was ok but climing the curb destroyed the rear suspension). That was a waste of a good car....
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