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Old 10-12-2011, 06:45 PM
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Fan Clutch 300sdl

Can the fan be removed without pulling the radiator? My fan has decided to be on at all times. I can stop it from running using a rolled up newspaper, However as soon as I pull the paper out it starts right back up.

After closer inspection I can tilt it back and forth so I ma assuming the clutch is shot. From what it looks like it is original.

I looked at the shroud and I dont think I can get it out. With the shroud out of the way it would be a lot easier to get my hands in there.


Any one done this that can offer tricks?
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:56 PM
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Nope. It is a pretty straightforward job, you may have difficulty removing the shroud, but it will come out.
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My fan has decided to be on at all times. I can stop it from running using a rolled up newspaper, However as soon as I pull the paper out it starts right back up.
What did you expect to happen?
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:19 PM
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Residual clutch fluid drag will always make the fan turn with the engine running. Only the power turning it will be much increased when the temperature driven clutch is activated by the heat of the engine.

If car has no operational temperature problems probably everything is okay. The usual issue at least to me is when the clutch no longer connects heavier when the engine temperature demands it. Find another friend to compare yours against or read a little more up on them in the archives.
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Old 10-12-2011, 07:23 PM
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Can the fan be removed without pulling the radiator? My fan has decided to be on at all times. I can stop it from running using a rolled up newspaper, However as soon as I pull the paper out it starts right back up.

After closer inspection I can tilt it back and forth so I ma assuming the clutch is shot. From what it looks like it is original.

I looked at the shroud and I dont think I can get it out. With the shroud out of the way it would be a lot easier to get my hands in there.


Any one done this that can offer tricks?

Usually the fan is turning anytime the engine is running, the issue is if it is not fairly easy to stop when circumstances don't exist for it to be engaged.

With the engine running you should be able to stop the rotation of the fan by using a bunched up rag or something similar fairly easily, if it takes too much effort the clutch is not freewheeling as designed.

To remove it is an 8 mm cap head screw so you need some type of 8 mm Allen wrench, with the working leg short enough to get in the screw in that tight place, you also need some means of preventing the water pump pulley from turning as you attempt to loosen the cap screw.

Harbor Freight sells a great low budget pulley holder tool for around $8-9, and Stahlwille makes a very short 8mm allem socket for 3/8" ratchets. You can also grab a standard L shaped Allen key cut the short leg even shorter than what is usual and use a section of pipe over the long leg to work the cap head screw.

Once you get the screw out you can lift the fan and the shroud out together.

It's a good idea to fashion a piece of thin aluminum or something similar to hang behind the radiator's back side, that will prevent you from bending any of the radiator fins and if you're using your hands down in that space to get the to the screw it will protect your knuckles from being shredded.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:17 PM
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To clarify, release the shroud from the radiator and rest it over the fan. This will give you better but not great access to the bolt mentioned above. I use a hex key with a deep socket and breaker bar for leverage.

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Water pump hub can be locked by using a drill bit or allen key in a hole provided. Access from the rear.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:14 AM
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Water pump hub can be locked by using a drill bit or allen key in a hole provided. Access from the rear.
this does not work on ALL water pumps... some don't have the rib to brace against...
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:08 AM
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You can use the belt as a counterhold.

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What did you expect to happen?
Love the sarcasm. On my other vehicle that has a fan clutch when I stop it it in the same manner when released it stays still.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:30 AM
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So to clarify i remove the center bolt in the middle of the clutch and remove the fan and clutch as one unit?
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To clarify, release the shroud from the radiator and rest it over the fan. This will give you better but not great access to the bolt mentioned above. I use a hex key with a deep socket and breaker bar for leverage.

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Old 10-13-2011, 11:53 AM
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Yes fan and clutch come out together.

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What is your other car. Some cars now have electric fan clutches and some have hydrolic (from P/S pump).
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Love the sarcasm. On my other vehicle that has a fan clutch when I stop it it in the same manner when released it stays still.
There was no sarcasm involved. You described what I consider to be normal fan clutch behavior. If the fan stops easily (not to be confused with stopping quickly when the engine is shut down) when cold, the clutch has passed the cold test. An expectation that the fan remains stopped in unreasonable.

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Old 10-13-2011, 01:34 PM
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There was no sarcasm involved. You described what I consider to be normal fan clutch behavior. If the fan stops easily when cold, the clutch has passed the cold test. An expectation that the fan remains stopped in unreasonable.
My apologies, I thought you were. On my truck when you stopped it, it normally would stay stopped or rotate slowly, not right back up to engine speed.(at idle)

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