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Old 11-13-2011, 04:22 AM
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Unfortunately the superior quality pre-1985 cars are getting on 30 years old and will have expensive age related issues to deal with.

Seems the smart man went from the W126 to the LS400 and never looked back. From every practical standpoint the Lexus and Acura are the better buy. Now Hyundai is well on its way to further chipping away at MB's marble pedestal.

If I were buying new, I'd rather have the Acura TSX than Mercedes C class and would save me 5 grand right off the bat and depreciate half as fast. I'd rather have the 429 horsepower Hyundai Genesis R-spec than the less powerful (though impressive new motor) E550, save myself 20 grand, and probably quite a bit on depreciation. Same story for the big cats. I'd buy a LS460 sport over the S550 for the same practical reasons and I think the LS460 is far more attractive.

I still appreciate the cars, but after experiencing just about everything that can possibly go wrong with them, they've lost their enchantment with me.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:41 PM
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cant really compare the old mercedes to the new ones. The market of today is cut throat so mercedes cant spend the money on development like they did on the old ones and still make a profit. When you got many car manufactures competiting such as lexus, infiniti,bmw competiting for the luxury car buyer, somewhere something is gonna get compromised.

Every brand has their own set of problems, whether its whoever makes their parts, service department and bugs with the cars. I have worked in enough shops to know this. IF there was a perfect car there would be no need for a service department.
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Old 11-13-2011, 11:01 PM
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One thing on these complaints here astounds me. How is it that most of these people get to a point in life where they can afford late model high end cars when it seems to me that they couldn't pass an elementary level grammar test!? That guy with the 500SL... it was like reading my girlfriends text messages. Oh well. I can't complain about my little 240d, it's taken me all over the North American continent without a single problem. But if you want something that you never have to open the hood on, buy a boring Japanese car. If I ever owned something built after the 1980s it wouldn't come from anywhere but Asia. "IF".
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:33 AM
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Unfortunately the superior quality pre-1985 cars are getting on 30 years old and will have expensive age related issues to deal with.
I agree with this and stopped by my local MB dealer to look at my new BlueTec. Larger interior and great looks. It will not be mine for 4 years, as I will be buying used.
I have not stepped out of the MB box, but will look at the VW's. But comparing the new price of the VW to a 3-4 year old MB, I think I am better off with the latter.

I really need to move on from my '83. Maybe a paint job will extend the great karma of past days.
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:09 AM
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Old 11-14-2011, 04:38 AM
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One thing on these complaints here astounds me. How is it that most of these people get to a point in life where they can afford late model high end cars when it seems to me that they couldn't pass an elementary level grammar test!? That guy with the 500SL... it was like reading my girlfriends text messages.
I agree, the "posts" are inane and it's hard to believe they were actually written by humans who can even use a computer. That's probably because they're made up. Plus anyone can post anything there. There's no documentation, no nothing. The domain (along with troublebenz.com, lemonmb.com, and mercedesproblems.com) is owned by Jason Schultz who has had a huge vendetta against MB for many years. He used to park his car outside of Fletcher Jones in Orange County CA with a big sign on it. He initially posted his grievances on a few MB forums but unfortunately they were more of a rant than anything of value or substance.

Here's the full story:

"Jason Schultz was sold a new vehicle which turned out to be problematic and consequently deemed a "lemon". He tried to work with Mercedes Benz to take back this car, as it was costing him much time and money. After more than 10 months of trying to work with Mercedes Benz, he realized that they were going to do nothing for him. Thinking that the California Lemon Law would be the answer, he tried to file a case. However, to his surprise he found that Mercedes Benz does not offer an arbitration program for Lemon Law, and he would have to wait approximately one full year before the case was heard in court.

"It's not the fact that I got a problematic vehicle, it is the fact that Mercedes Benz wants to do nothing to help me out of the situation. Beyond that, legally I have to deal with this problematic vehicle for one full year before I can have my case heard in a court of law. This is unfair and I am going to change this", said Jason.

Changing this is exactly what he is doing. He is showing Mercedes Benz that not all consumers will fall victim to circumstance by protesting. Jason states, "Through my protests, Mercedes Benz employees have told me there is no hope in my situation, and even stated that my life is in danger if I continue".

This new protest has been bringing quite a bit of media and consumer attention to Mercedes Benz. This support is accounting for hundreds of letters, e-mail's, and faxes towards this cause. "It's amazing how many people are in the same situation as me, and feel there is nothing they can do. I am going to go against what Mercedes Benz is telling people and make things fair for consumers", said Jason."

I prefer older cars for personal reasons and have owned vintage Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes. Newer versions do not seem as robust but they do offer certain advantages including better safety features. And as someone mentioned, older cars are simply getting old. But even the older versions were not without issues.

I think we know that all manufacturers have had their ups and downs. A couple of years ago I took the 'risk' and bought a new 2009 E Class. The car is as well built as I expected for a Mercedes and has nice modern amenities. I've since put on 76k miles (I drive a lot) without a single issue. The only costs have been basic service and consumables. Like a Mercedes, it still rides as rattle free and as smoothly as the day it went into service. I feel confident I'll be going over 100k miles without much fanfare.

(p.s., I've been reading the PeachParts forums for quite a while but decided to register to respond to this thread since I knew about Jason Schultz. Since I don't have the knowledge base like many of you have, I've just been soaking in all the good info on the shop forum instead of posting.)
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Old 11-14-2011, 07:10 PM
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"Everything is rubbish" Is good advise.

Thanks CI,
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As far as Lexus goes, they are just Toyota with more polish. They use timing belts as far as I know.

I wont drive a car with a timing belt period.
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Old 11-15-2011, 02:03 PM
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As far as Lexus goes, they are just Toyota with more polish. They use timing belts as far as I know.

I wont drive a car with a timing belt period.
Not a really big fan of toyota but even their echo, corolla etc have timing chains. I too think it is semi unwise to buy a car with a rubber belt. Although if you understand the increased maintenance cost over the lifetime it is your choice.

Honda since 2006 has gone back to timing chains as well. Looks like today with belted cars that changing idlers, water pumps etc at the time a timing belt is due really increases the cost. Most these additional part changes are preventative in nature. Basically that amounts to they may or may not fail so change them. Too much effort to access them later.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:55 PM
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I too think it is semi unwise to buy a car with a rubber belt. Although if you understand the increased maintenance cost over the lifetime it is your choice.
I have mixed feelings. Yes, with a belt you're guaranteed to have to replace it, but at least it's made to be replaced regularly. Chains are to be replaced "as needed" and on some cars "as needed" seems to be not that much less frequently than a belt -- and they're a lot harder to get to.

For example, mid-90s and later Hondas need a belt every 105K miles, but Saab 900s rarely seem to make it to 150K without a chain and guide replacement, which requires an engine pull. I'd rather do the belt, since it can be done with the engine in-car. Toyota V6s and VW VR6s are also known for eating the chain guides and then the chain.

Of course, the way to sidestep this completely is to go with a pushrod engine.
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:23 PM
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Of course, the way to sidestep this completely is to go with a pushrod engine.
I was thinking of going 2 cycle


Many Ferrari's have belts and they need to be replaced every 15k miles or 3 years.
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:08 PM
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I was thinking of going 2 cycle


Many Ferrari's have belts and they need to be replaced every 15k miles or 3 years.
A Ducati I was looking at specs timing belt replacement at 2 years or 12,000 miles. I've heard people are getting away with three. Makes me miss my Kawasaki.
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Old 12-06-2011, 10:22 AM
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The idea that every car that comes out of a Mercedes factory should be trouble free is unrealistic. Every car manufacture deals with quality issues and a car is just that; a mechanical machine that is subject to harsh weather/environment issues as well as harsh driving by idiot drivers. As times move forward and more technology moves into automobile manufacturing and the models themselves, quality issues will be exasperated. There is a reason many on this forum continue to drive the w123, w124 and w126 models. My family has been driving Mercedes for 30 years and while some have been more trouble free than the next the bottom line is they are still a Mercedes-Benz and nothing from Lexus or any other manufacture will ever have the presence these cars do nor will they have the cult following that is obviously displayed here on this forum. The first Mercedes my father ever purchased saved our lives Christmas eve of 1987 and say what you want about quality and reliability issues our family has been endeared to the brand ever since. I will take my chances in ANY Mercedes model before I put my family into a Toyota. There are a million other stories from people just like myself who have similar experiences about every brand of car manufacture out there, its all about what you feel comfortable in. I am younger and have run the gamut with new cars from a variety of brands (Volvo,BMW,Jaguar) and have never been without a Mercedes in my garage (albeit it sometimes 25 years old) and doubt I ever will.


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Old 12-06-2011, 10:39 AM
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I think a lot of it is as a group we prefer older cars simply because we can work on them, and they are easier to understand. New cars may be as screwed together as well as last years, but the reliance on the computers and proprietary technology that is required to work on them these days is what's gonna render these new cars obsolete.

We have moved away from an era when quality mattered to where technology matters- Just like a computer they don't stay current forever and must be upgraded.

The power, braking, efficiency and quietness of modern cars is nice. I just doubt the validity of $50K nice...

PS We all know that Mercedes hasn't really changed in price although inflation has kicked in. IIRC my parents paid almost $28K new for (at the time) entry level W123- A modern C isn't much higher these days. Effectively that means the cars have become cheaper.

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