2012 vw tdi
 

is it worth it? wife hates my 240d and looking into 2012 TDi sportswagen the interior is the same lay-out as my 1980 240d.

also, i need to figure out a price on my 240d with a euro 300d manual 4spd

I got a new vw a few months ago, couldn't be happier. It's not a diesel but so far a great little car, and very good quality too...no issues thus far. Most of the folks who bash the quality of vws are not owners nor have seen their recent products. For a few years the jettas and passats had a bad rep, this generation seems optimistic.

we just went shopping for a new car for my fiancé. she drives the 82 300D in the summer, but that vehicle goes away for the winters.

we wanted the jetta sportwagen TDI...but it was just too darn expensive at nearly $30k out the door. and while the new generation has promises of better quality, the jury is still out.

we instead purchased a 2012 hyundai elantra touring (for $20k out the door fully loaded, could of had it for $17k with less options), and so far (one week) are happy with it.

i wish it was a diesel, but at the end of the day i can't justify letting the type of fuel box me into a much more expensive vehicle to both purchase and maintain.

i'm a little scared of the TDi operating cost. seems like you have to change the fuel filter every 3rd fill-up. i just started kicking tires.

I have an 09 Jetta and it has 70 k on it. No issues and a fuel filter change every 20k is cheap ins on a 15k fuel system if the cp4 lunches. Plus I have the euro version and not the mk6 which is the 012 and built in the us and not Mexico. The base Jetta tdi is like 22k the wagons command over msrp in most market because of demand

Most fuel filters have change intervals of 10k or so miles. A new TDI should be no different. Though if people are trying to run biodiesel, it can cause issues in the new diesel. A lot of the common rail diesels don't like much biodiesel in fuel. And/or have filters with micron rating very low and they clog up quickly with biodiesel.
There should be very little operating costs to a new vehicle. One thing to keep in mind is that diesel while getting more MPG also costs more than gas. And is often more than premium gas. The VW Diesels seem to get marked up much more than their gas counterparts. If you're really going for cost efficiency and mileage than a Honda or Toyota passenger car maybe the way to go.

I have a 2004 TDI and it's been great. Averaging 45mpg, Though this is an entirely different car than the 2012 Sportwagen TDI.

Whatever people buy of course is up to them. It tends to keep the economy working.

I also am becoming somewhat at a loss of how to choose any new car brand. Past reliability is not an absolute factor one way or another. Although it is usually better if it has had it. Neither is past resale value as the public are somewhat more than just fickle.

It is only a hope that the quality will be good in whatever we purchase. Or at least equal to the past experience on some brands.

I tend not to believe reviews etc. They can be manipulated. I noticed one brand that had quality reports as vastly improved has in the last two weeks been declared excessivly troublesome for example. What about all the people that purchased those now discredited cars based on the earlier reports? The resale is going to be really low on them as the truth becomes generally known.

I have felt for many years. The human condition wants to justify whatever they buy as a good decision and are somewhat unwilling to really let the downsides be blamed on their choices. Kind of a denial thing as it reflects on many things.

I also wonder how much longer society can afford disposable cars as the world changes. Currently they are required to help the economy not the individual. I also suspect some brands of vehicles are no longer going to survive too much longer in the marketplace.

I think that you will find that the 240D was engineered to preform a task.

Now most cars are engineered to a price point.

Hear, hear.

There are way too many cars being produced by way too many companies, worldwide.

Besides reliaibility/longevity, beware parts costs over the long term. Remember, there is no such thing as zero percent or 1 percent money. The deals they are offering on the new car financing side have to be recouped somewhere on the books.

It's amazing that people -- and especially here on the east coast of Canada, where cars are very disposable if not given exceptional attention over the long term -- have become totally accustomed to a car being a short-term, throwaway item.

Of course don't get me started on the amount of crappy throwaway resin lawn furniture and cheap-line home small appliances that end up on garbage heaps after just a few years because they cannot be recycled or repaired. After we've shipped it from China. Yeah. :mad:

ALL cars are engineered to a price point, including Mercedes post-w124.

MTBF -- mean time between failures.

One of our members in the engineering field can elaborate better than I.

I don't see the point of buying a new diesel.
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I toyed with the idea of a new TDI jetta, but I think I wanna see what Mazda will offer in the next couple of years with the skyactiv diesels supposedly coming to the USA. I can wait

i'm really looking for a weekend texas festival touring car. not sure if the TDi would have enough cargo room for camping gear and family of 3.

We have a 2005 Passat Variant TDI... 109k, and loving it. It's a great highway cruiser. Gets 32-36MPG on long trips.

I'll throw my opinion in here. I run a small diesel shop on the side of going to college and I have worked on several TDI's as well as owning one. My Sister's current DD is an early 06 Jetta with the BRM (PD) engine and the DSG Auto. I love them. As with all Vw's there is some finicky electrical issues and they have to have special diagnostic software but they are great. One thing to remember is that CR fuel injection hates water and is very sensitive to maintenance. Stay on top of your maintenance and you will love it.