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'82 300TD Cold Start/Rough Idle
Hi all. My '82 300TD is running very crummy in cold weather. If the temp is below 18 degrees F, the car does not start (Will try glowing 3 times before cranking). Anything less than 50 degrees, I need to keep my foot on the throttle ten minutes to keep the car running. Anything greater than 50 degrees I hear a knock/miss until the car has warmed up.
I'm looking for ideas that might explain the problem. I brought the car to a diesel shop for a compression test/glow plug test/etc. Here's what I got back: Glow plugs: OKI also have a new battery and am using Rotella T Synthetic 5w-40. Also, the car has 140,000 miles. I've read ideas in other forums but most those don't conclude in a fix. Outside compression some said maybe the lift pump and some said possibly stretch in the timing chain. Any thoughts? I'm going to call some Mercedes Diesel shops here in Chicago tomorrow to see if any of them can help. It's really annoying having to keep my foot on the pedal for 10 minutes just to get the car to run, would love to fix this. Thanks for the help! - Ben |
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Have you checked the screen in the tank?
That would be the next item on my list |
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Adjust the valves ASAP
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1985 300TD Turbo Euro-wagon 1979 280CE 225,200 miles 1985 300D Turbo 264,000 miles 1976 240D 190,000 miles 1979 300TD 220,000 GONE but not forgotten 1976 300D 195,300 miles 1983 300D Turbo 175,000 miles http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e485-1-2-1.jpg |
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Close off the return line from the injection pump and see if it does better on a cold start. Nothing will be hurt from doing this.
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An Air Leak.
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Thanks for the ideas, I'll begin testing them:
lacolocho - I do have a funny 'bounce' on my fuel gauge, I assume this is unrelated, but would a clogged or dirty fuel strainer cause this bounce? 79Mercy - Thanks 79Mercy, I had them check valve clearances at the diesel shop, this shop wasn't a Mercedes shop though, just worked on diesel engines. I'll have this rechecked or done when I bring it in. barry123400 - Hey barry, thanks for the idea, could you let me know why you think this would help? Diesel911 - I do have an air leak, my door locks do not work correctly. I'll try fixing this. I wish I had time and a place to do these things myself, but only have street parking in Chicago, absolutely sucks for doing any car work. I can at least look for the air leak without bringing it in. I'll comment back as I try each of the things suggested. |
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Air leak and vacuum leak are not the same. Your door lock problem is probably caused by a vacuum leak. Air leak refers to air getting into the fuel lines.
How did the shop conclude that the glow plugs were ok? Your symptoms are similar to having one or more bad glow plugs.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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Thanks for the clarification between air/vacuum problems Kerry.
I'm not sure what the shop tested when giving me the OK. So I took a couple hours tonight to test the glow plugs myself following this DIY: Mercedes Diesel Glow Plug Repair Everything tested out fine, relay worked in all ways, wires seemed to test fine, and the glow plugs worked perfectly too. After putting everything back together and starting the car this evening in 45 degree weather, it still sputtered and I needed to keep my foot on the peddle to keep the car from stalling. |
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Then x2 on the air leak.
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1977 300d 70k--sold 08 1985 300TD 185k+ 1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03 1985 409d 65k--sold 06 1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car 1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11 1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper 1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4 1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13 |
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Do you have white smoke after startup?
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1977 300D Lost coolant while someone else was driving 1983 300D Can't run without oil 1985 300SD (gone but not forgotten) 1990 300TE 4matic Sold 1991 Yamaha Venture 1975 Kawsaki 250 triple 1974 Honda 200CL 1951 8N Ford 2008 Wildfire 650C |
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you mention "fuel filter" is changed...
which one? there are 3 in the vehicle... tank strainer can be clogged up, and the vent that allows air to enter the tank, while fuel is allowed to leave... next in line of flow is the clear plastic primary fuel filter. then the "spin on" fuel filter behind the power steering pump. do you know which of these were changed?
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