OK, lets break this down for the sue happy posters on this thread that have _ZERO_ real world mechanical / engineering / problem solving ability.

I'm hoping the OP falls into the category of knowing just enough about mechanical devices to be dangerous rather than being clueless like some of the others on this thread.

It has not been determined that this was a mistake yet.

Usually the dual head filters are internally plumbed in parallel, is this what you have?

There are some design considerations when using a remote mount filter, are you aware what they are?


This is correct. The PH8A ( and the shorter PH16 ) are Ford / Chrysler filters that date back to the 60's. They are also used on a slew of imports from the 70's as well.

The action above provides indisputable proof that the motor was filled with oil and not run dry at start up. Before anyone gets all worked up about being 1/2 qt down, a typical engine can be run on as little as _TWO_ quarts, especially since it is being run stationary and at idle.

Does this engine have a emergency shut down tab? ( the throttle plate in the intake ) was this shut?

That would be correct, while you didn't mention it in your post, it is reasonable to assume you had oil pressure at the shop and down the road.

Do you have the _exact_ brand and part number? Please post here.

Think about this for a minute, ( assuming your filter is internally plumbed in parallel ) 2 "smaller" filters are likely to exceed the surface area of _ONE_ factory filter that was original to your engine.

Even with one " smaller " filter there will be enough surface area to get the job done.

Please explain the logic that installing the smaller filters damaged your engine.


I have a couple of working theories as to what happened but need more information.

Blowby is one of the last things caused by loss / reduction of oil pressure. Connecting bearings will be the first to suffer, mains second , camshaft bearings. The engine will seize a rod / main bearing long before the rings get a chance to be harmed by loss of oil pressure.


Filing a baseless claim won't solve the problem and only delay you finding the real cause of the failure.

In the short time I've been here, I've grown weary of those with little high level knowledge whom ,at the first chance, blast shops , dealers , mechanics.

I took my 300D with 617 engine to J**F* L*B* and they had the filter but messed up the throttle bushing on the firewall changing the filter.

Cost me $50 bux to replace it. I do my own oil changes now.

Edit: I have to say, though, that they tried to make it right. The oil change was essentially half price. Better than a poke in the eye.

Well ,I would have to say in your boat ask yourself one thing,whats does your gut say .Knowing the 617 motor through ownership of 15 various models thru the years it gives me pause to except the motor is aligned as the cause .The simple information youve included here is plenty to subscribe fault ,it follows what most here have reported on yeh olde type of *iffy l*be grease monkeys can and will cause ,failed simple maintinence on a customers car .If something is done WRONGGGG they go running to their posted canned statement.WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ,YADII DODDI DAAH. State your case to some helpful lawyer websites out their,theyll give you some indication on how it might play out if you decide to move forward with the case .Flip side ,you can go pull another 617 junker and use your energy and money putting the LANDCRUIZER back on the road,if it were me I might be inclined to drop the block of the old motor at the service station after I was done,right in frt of the door that welcomes another victim.

Now that would be a good youtube vid...

I had been wondering if they put 5w-20 oil in. That just might account for many of your symptoms.

5W -20 won't cause these problems, remember that this is oil designed for engines, there is even 0W oil.

The engine could have been filled with ATF and not cause problems for all the distance it was driven. ( Some engines are sensitive to oil quality, Ford Powerstrokes rely on bubble free oil pressure to control the injectors. )


As for tossing a engine through the front door of the shop, suggesting that level of stupidity doesn't even go on at the good ol boys oval track tech board I frequent.

This shows that money or a fancy car doesn't make you smart ( or a good citizen )

I tend to agree but the sudden erruption of blowby is hard to imagine as being anything they caused other than the wrong grade of oil. Something certainly changed. It may have been coincidental as well I guess. It will be interesting if he finds out what is going on.

I have really been having a time trying to imagine what they might have done if anything to do this. I have asssumed that he was present all the time and they did not somehow run the engine with no oil in it when he was not there.

A " wrong " grade of oil " might " cause problems in the very long term, the OP started the motor ~ 4 X at the shop then drove 1 city block. This is hardly long term.

I've not heard any answers to the questions I posed to the OP, I do have some working theories but need more info.

Stuff breaks... Can't control when it does. It sucks being the mechanic that goes to pull out someones old lumpy car after a repair and the key wont turn or some dumb thing that has nothing to do with anything you worked on, yet you are still blamed

I guess their are some people that get a Joke and then some that dont ,the latter folks explain away how inappropriate the joke or comment may have been then expound on how that makes them feel inside ,it follows with them aligning themselves with others around them that just may feel that same way also,wow ,really.Its Important not to get so wrapped up in your own head some times, response on the possible related matter on hand then move on ,youll seem more helpful to folks on here even if your not ,just saying.

no no, im pretty sure you are not a good citizen. Your above comments make it clearer every time.

Now im gonna get in my 40 year old $500 dollar fancy car, count my riches of 32 dollars in singles, and KNOW that im a good citizen and not stupid.

:D

I am amazed anyone made anything out of his comments. I can't make head or tail of what they say.

I am stunned that you would actually do all that work to modify a vehicle, then take it to a quick-lube outlet. Sorry but that is all I can say.

There HAS to be some detail missing in this story.

I did a Google search for the Fram HP1 Oil Filter (this is the Filter the OP said was on the Vehicle when He drove in) and that lead me to Summit Racing. This is some of the Comments from Summit R.
"Fram's HP Series filters are just for performance and racing use. The spin-on filters can trap very small micron-sized particles that cause most engine wear. All filters have an anti-drain back valve with a maximum flow rate."

When I went to the Wix Filter site the Fram HP1 cross referenced to a Wix Racing Filter that had a 28gpm flow rate.
WIX filters, WIX oil filters, WIX air filters, WIX fuel filters, WIX Heavy Duty Oil Filters : Filter Look-Up

I have not found any flow rate on a Fram PH8A but I am assuming the Flow rate is less or they would not bother making an HP1 Filter.
Also one might assume that the jiffy lube type version of the PH8A might not even flow as well as a Fram PH8A

More info from on the Fram HP1:
Fram HP1 Racing Oil Filter - FRAHP1

"Low Restriction
Ideally, racers would like zero restriction, but that is not possible. Oil flow encounters some restriction even as it moves through all engine passages. To create the smallest amount of restriction, the FRAM RACING filter utilizes up to three times the media used in passenger car oil filters for absolute minimum pressure drop with no sacrifice in filtering ability."

So it does seem it is possible for other Filters to be too restrictive combined with the Double Filter setup.

I have a Double Filter Setup on my Old Truck and the Passages in it are not so large as the ID of lets say the Oil Cooler Hoses.

Longer Hoses with smaller diameters, Brass Fittings often have smaller holes in them than the Hoses that hook up to them and smaller passsage ways in the Oil Filter Housing. All of that adds up to resistance to the Oil Flow.

Perhaps the use of the J-lube Small Oil Filters with all of the other resistance was enough to reduce the flow to a significant amount.

While the Stock Oil Filter does not have a large Full Flow Element the Oil dose not have very far to travel to get into the Engine so any resistance to flow is at a minimum.
The Oil Passages and Oil Cooler Hoses were designed to provide an adequate Flow.
So it is posslble that the 2 small Oil Filters put on along with the modified setup reduced the Flow.

That brings us to the Oil Pressure.
Where is the Oil Pressure gauge located on the Modified Oil Filter System?
If it is mounted between the Engine and the Oil Filters that would show the Oil Pressure the Engine is getting.
If it is mounted between the Oil coming out of the Engine and the Oil Filters if there is a restriction in the Oil Filtration system the Oil Pressure will be measuring the pressure the restriction is causing.

That means it would look like you had good Oil pressure on the Gauge but the Oil going into the Engine might not be at that pressure.

It seems very unlikely that the wrong filter caused this problem from different flow characteristics. the only way I can see this dramatic damage is if the wrong filter actually blocked all or nearly all oil flow.

Any updates on this thread?