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Help! front lower or front outer ball joint? Which is which?
Hi, my ball joints need to be replaced, but I am confused as to what they are called: lower outer or lower front. Here is a pick of the one I need to replace, it isn't the one next to the wheel hub or the one up high. Thanks for any help!
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You're looking at the outer tie rod end, not the ball joint.
Generally, it's just slightly more money (and less effort) to replace the entire tie rod, rather than bothering with the end (the part that threads into the main body of the tie rod). Be careful with the manufacturer that you choose. The Chinese Uro is definitely out. Also, understand that you need an alignment after replacing those tie rods, so consider any other suspension work required at the same time. |
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Centered in your picture is an outer tie-rod end, not a ball joint.
If that's what you need to change, that's good, because it's cheaper and easier to change than a ball joint, though you still need an alignment after. Avoid the URO brand. Good luck. |
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Thanks!! So are "front" and "outer" ball joints the same?
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With ball joints, there are no "front" or "outer".
You've got "upper" and "lower". They are not the same. |
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Tie rod ends are not all the same. One has a left hand thread the other a right hand thread - I think the outer ones are right hand threads and the inner ones are left hand threads => if I've got that wrong someone please correct me...
...I'm sitting here imagining my mole grips on the middle rod and how I was adjusting the toe in and out...
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speaking of alignment, is it possible to do a DIY alignment? i used to work at a tire shop and we had a guy there that could align the old ford trucks by sight; at first we let him do it by sight and then we put it on the machine and he was always dead on; after a few trucks we checked with the machine we just let him do his thing and didn't even bother putting them on the machine...but of course these were old fords from the 70's and early 80's, but just wondering if it is possible to do a DIY alignment on our cars
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pffft. 70 fords were simple compared to the MB front end... I suppose it's possible to get it right with DIY, but it's not simple or a BY SIGHT method at all... you cannot lift the vehicle, you need to measure the toe, front and rear of the tire, and adjust to zero difference. and then there is caster and camber... I'm not sure how a DIY would measure those...
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Replacing tie rod ends does not affect camber or caster. It only affects toe in. Toe in can be adjusted by measurement in your drive way if one knows what he is doing, but a person who does not know what tie rod ends are called is not going to be able to do it himself.
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Quote:
How I adjusted the toe in / out, camber and caster on my W123 300D
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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