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Old 05-02-2012, 07:36 PM
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Touschgarrett!!! Probably #1 failure...

How much was the kit?

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Old 05-02-2012, 09:01 PM
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Touschgarrett!!! Probably #1 failure...

How much was the kit?
Kit was $345.00 from www.autoacsolutions.com
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Old 05-02-2012, 11:45 PM
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Factory rebuild

For real. Are you aware that you have a factory rebuilt 616? You should call the MB Classic Center in CA. If you give them the serial number on that motor badge, they should be able to pull up records showing when your rebuilt motor was installed, etc. etc. Pretty neat.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:36 AM
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Yorks have been known to provide probably the best cooling capability at idle speeds because of it's big pistons and huge displacement. The drawback is it robs a lot of horsepower to run it. I'll be interested to see which Sanden model you'll use and how it would compare to the York in terms of cooling.


BTW- Off roaders love the York compressor converted to an Air Compressor to fill up their tires while they are done trailing. Someone in that arena may love to have yours to convert.


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Old 05-03-2012, 09:46 AM
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For real. Are you aware that you have a factory rebuilt 616? You should call the MB Classic Center in CA. If you give them the serial number on that motor badge, they should be able to pull up records showing when your rebuilt motor was installed, etc. etc. Pretty neat.
Yeah, I had a senior MB service tech look at it. BTW, he works his own shop now and refuses to work for a dealership service department. Anyway, he looked at it and immediately said, your engine has been replaced at some point. He pointed to the sticker on the front of the valve cover and said that the '77s didn't have that sticker on the valve cover from the factory.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:44 PM
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Yeah, I had a senior MB service tech look at it. BTW, he works his own shop now and refuses to work for a dealership service department. Anyway, he looked at it and immediately said, your engine has been replaced at some point. He pointed to the sticker on the front of the valve cover and said that the '77s didn't have that sticker on the valve cover from the factory.
That's pretty great. It's always fun to look for a "Tauschaggregat" badge when checking out a used car (or junkyard car). When I called the Classics Center about my motor, they told me the date of installation, and what dealership installed it, IIRC. For some reason, they either couldn't tell me the mileage when it was installed, or didn't know. Still, with the date of installation, you can ballpark how many miles are you that motor. Certainly fewer than the odometer shows!
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There is an old guy with a 87 300D wagon near my inlaws house, he sometimes asks me for help on his car work. His engine also has that plate and a barcode sticker on the front of the head too.

Didnt know that was a replacement badge.
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I have replaced the Yorks on three of my cars with Sandens. A 220D, a 300D and a M115. In each case the cooling difference was minimal but the power drain difference was amazing. The 220D and the 240D didn't need the idle knob tweaked as they did with the York and the M115 doesn't even notice the difference.

You can feel the slight drag on the M115 between gear changes but nothing like the York created. Cooling actually seems improved at anything above 2500 RPMs.

I removed most of the additional bracing on the original MB bracket and never had a problem.
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Despite the noise & vibration (especially if the brackets aren't all secure) and power usage, the York generaly has a much better reputation for durability than the R4. There used to be different sized compressor-pulleys availible for the York. If that's still the case, some may want to consider fitting a larger diameter pulley. Many years ago, I did this with a hang-on Sears AC in a '67 Mustang, and while there was some loss of AC cooling at idle, there was a significant overall reduction in engine temperature and load.

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Old 05-05-2012, 09:08 AM
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Cooling actually seems improved at anything above 2500 RPMs.
Sweet, I do mostly freeway driving, so that is welcome news.

The truth is that I will not have anything to compare against. The A/C in the car was marginal at best when we got it six years ago. The second owner had tried to recharge the system with a retrofit R-134a kit. I had the system purged, cleaned and recharged to find that the compressor was shot. So having cold air in the summertime will be a new experience in this car.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:09 AM
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Look! I found a OM616

I finally got most of the grease and crud off the engine. That took the better part the day and nearly two gallons of Por15 Marine Clean mixed 1to1 with water.















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Old 05-06-2012, 09:17 AM
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Very nice and clean. Want to come do mine next
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:21 AM
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Wow, very nice and clean! Hopefully it doesn't turn black again after the first drive.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:35 AM
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Found a little rust on the firewall. Fixed what I could for now. Spring pockets will need some work.

Firewall rust


Ground off paint, rust and crud down to bare metal and primed
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Old 05-06-2012, 11:40 AM
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I have replaced the Yorks on three of my cars with Sandens. A 220D, a 300D and a M115. In each case the cooling difference was minimal but the power drain difference was amazing. The 220D and the 240D didn't need the idle knob tweaked as they did with the York and the M115 doesn't even notice the difference.

You can feel the slight drag on the M115 between gear changes but nothing like the York created. Cooling actually seems improved at anything above 2500 RPMs.

I removed most of the additional bracing on the original MB bracket and never had a problem.
The Yorks did very well in cooling at idle speeds because of those 2 big pistons. But 2 big pistons not particularly efficient at above 2500 rpm.


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