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Old 05-19-2012, 02:20 PM
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First ALDA adjust. Now Tranny shifts early, what gives??????

Hey all, Okay, so I adjusted my ALDA yesterday for the first time on my 87, its a 24mm on the ALDA and a 27mm on the nut. I went to Harbor Freight and spent $30 on a set of service wrenches, makes it way easier. I didnt have any shims to match or even come close so I peeled off the top cap and went for the adjuster skrew, everything went fine, no rust or corrosion, (I love the northwest) any way, 1 1/2 turns out, plenty of off the line power now, barley any smoke when I go WOT, so I think it is set right, but now my tranny shifts out of 1st instantly and seems to go thru 3rd so fast it feels like it is going from 2nd straight to 4th.
I have read plenty of feed back saying, (your just not use to the small peddle travel yet) No, if I baby it, it does it, if I go WOT it holds the gears in question a smigg longer. what adjustment can I make for it to hold the gears a little longer.
I already went back and checked all vacuum lines to make sure I hooked them up and for damage. all looks well.

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Old 05-19-2012, 02:30 PM
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Something happened with your bowden cable.
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Old 05-19-2012, 02:50 PM
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I agree, the bowden cable tells the tranny WHEN to shift. If you can make a few adjustments to the bowden cable you should be able to get the shifts where you want them, just dont force the old plastic, it will break
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:11 PM
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Something happened with your bowden cable.
Not necessarily. Changing the accelerator position/engine output relationship just makes it seem that way.
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:25 PM
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Do you have a mityvac?

If so find the VCV (see picture), it is on the back of the IP. It has an input and an output on the top of it. The input is in the center of the circle, the out put is slightly off center and may have a green damper on it. Don't worry about the tube coming out of the lower face of the VCV it is just a vent that goes to the cabin of the car.

With the car running take a reading off of the input and the out put. The out put should be at 12hg, but may be lower than that. The input should be between 15-20hg.

As Tangofox007 said changing the accelerator position will cause the same problem. I just went through this same issue and it turned out to be a bad VCV. Yours could be fine, but it's a good place to start.

Please report back.
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Old 05-19-2012, 04:45 PM
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Okay so What i am feeling now is a hard downshift at lower speed like from 3rd into 2nd if i step on it, still shifting thru 1st and 3rd quickly,

BIO300TDT: I wish I owned a mighty vac, but I dont. I will look into possibly buying or borrowing one

NEWTODIESEL:& KERRY: I will look into the bowden.

TANGOFOX007: what else might you suggest looking into?
because with the way it downshifts at low speed and going thru 3rd so fast that it feels lost, cant be correct can it?
aside from my trans shifting a little firm, before I did the ALDA adjust everything shifted perfect.
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Old 05-19-2012, 05:58 PM
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It is quite possible that the Bowden cable might need to be adjusted as a result of the change in engine performance. Is there currently tension on the cable prior to throttle take-up?
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:21 PM
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It is quite possible that the Bowden cable might need to be adjusted as a result of the change in engine performance. Is there currently tension on the cable prior to throttle take-up?

I believe there is a little play in it, when i checked, I think. I'll have to check again, I've been doing Yard work all day. ill check it again though.
Should I adjust a little of the play(if there is any) out of it and see where that gets me?

thanks for all the feedback
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:40 PM
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Not necessarily. Changing the accelerator position/engine output relationship just makes it seem that way.
Well I'd say that means that something happened to the bowden cable--it's getting moved at a different point in the accelerator/power output position.
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Well I'd say that means that something happened to the bowden cable--it's getting moved at a different point in the accelerator/power output position.
It doesn't mean that at all. The pedal/cable relationship is not what changed. The pedal/engine output relationship changed.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:16 PM
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It doesn't mean that at all. The pedal/cable relationship is not what changed. The pedal/engine output relationship changed.
Which in turn changed the point in the engine output at which the cable was being effected.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:35 PM
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Okay, so I tightened up the Bowden 2 turns out, It seems to shift better, still wants to go into 4th a little soon though, but I guess i can live with that. Ill probably play around with it a little more, seems to have improved so far.
Over all I would say this was a pretty painless upgrade to do, with the right tools.
Very impressed, I would recommend doing this, to others.
In the end, I backed off the ALDA 2 turns, little bit of smoke at WOT till the turbo is at full spool, then I cant see anything.
I orig. "turned it out" (haha) 1 1/2 turns and it felt alot better than stock but when I gave it that extra 1/2 turn making it a full 2 out, that made alot more diff.
Im very happy with where its at right now, it accelerates like my 190E now!!!

Couldnt have done it without the great people on this site. Thanks Again!!!!!

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