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Old 06-11-2012, 02:44 AM
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erratic coolant loss 1985 300D

1985 300D with 200K miles will run for weeks with slight to no coolant loss, at about 80 degrees C, then for no apparent reason, lose a bunch of coolant, & begin running hot. No noticeable leak.

One nite last Fall, it went down to 12 degrees F, and later noticed a pool of coolant on the ground. Put a sample in the freezer, & concluded it just barely froze, put a richer mixture in the car, warmed it up, some leaked, & put the car away for the winter.

Just filled it up with water/coolant mix, it took over a gallon, and started it up and ran it about 1/2 hour. No coolant leaked, resevoir went down little or none, temp guage at a cool 80 C.

What gives?? Are the freeze plugs spring loaded and fix themselves?
Izzit the pump? Baffled !



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Old 06-11-2012, 02:53 AM
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I just had some problems with my cooling system. Saw some water leaking from the thermostat area but not from any of the visible hoses.

There is a very short section of hose on OM616 and OM617 engines that tends to get ignored during normal maintenance cycles. It can be a real pain to get to. It is between the thermostat housing and a lower heater hose connection on these engines.

My hands still have grease spots after having repaired this item 4 days ago.
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Could be a failing water pump?
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:50 PM
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Can freeze plugs heal?

Never had a noticeable amount of coolant appear on the ground 'til the one cold nite where the coolant probably froze to a slush.

Could the pump also react to the cold?

Did the freeze plug pop partially out and reset itself?

How does one go about replacing freeze plugs? I ordered a set from Peach as i thought that might be the problem and they are cheap enough.

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Old 06-12-2012, 10:28 PM
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Could the pump also react to the cold?
When it comes to intermittent coolant loss, the water pump shaft seal is at the top of the list of likely culprits.


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Did the freeze plug pop partially out and reset itself?
If "it" did, you need to contact the Guinness Book folks.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:05 PM
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I am new to MB, but with older American cars intermittent large amount of coolant loss is almost always the water pump seal. It can heal for a while then let go either when hot or cold.
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Freeze plugs will not reset them selves, and they are not spring loaded.

I replaced some on a International Harvester V8 years ago, and on my Datsun Diesel. I used a punch/drift on one side to get it to turn. will pivot on it`s axis. then use some Vice Grips and pull it out. clean out the hole, apply some sealant. then using an appropriate size socket, gently tap it into the hole. careful not to knock it all the way into the water jacket.

Are you sure that your Freeze plugs are the culpert?

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Old 06-13-2012, 03:47 AM
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must be coincidence

After the brush with freezing, the loss of coolant was much greater than previous episodes, so i was sure @ the time i must have frozen it, as i stuck a small vial of the coolant in the freezer, which runs about the same as the outdoor temp that nite, and the stuff froze not quite solid, but to a thick slush.

That was the first time i noticed coolant on the ground under the car.

But if freeze plugs can't fix themselves, i guess it must be the pump.

Thanx for the help with this, will check back again for any more ideas.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:40 AM
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I had a spotty connection on the upper radiator hose. It was leaking at the bottom of the clamp, hard to spot. But it was leaving a puddle every time I parked. I finally noticed a drip trail inside the radiator shroud.

What was happening is that it was only leaking under heat and pressure, when cold it would not leak.

Long story short check the simple stuff first.
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Intermittent thermostat? If system makes a pressure test that is.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:14 AM
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Could be a failing water pump?
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Old 06-13-2012, 11:21 AM
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I've been on this forum for over 10 yrs. Can't recall reading a post regarding a failed freeze plug.
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I had a spotty connection on the upper radiator hose. It was leaking at the bottom of the clamp, hard to spot. But it was leaving a puddle every time I parked. I finally noticed a drip trail inside the radiator shroud.

What was happening is that it was only leaking under heat and pressure, when cold it would not leak.

Long story short check the simple stuff first.
x2. When it's cold, everything shrinks, including your radiator nipples and hoses. Make sure they are clamped down tight (but careful not to over do it or they'll shatter. It could be the water pump failing as well, but I'd definitely go over the clamps and hoses first. Also, if you are using proper coolant you should see white residue from wherever it is leaking from.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:11 PM
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Sun is shining, will give it a good look-at.

I've heard of freeze plugs corroding and leaking, but i guess if one actually failed due to freezing, it would be leaking copiously when refilled and run a half hour.

Will give it another look see now that the sun is finally out!



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