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Old 07-16-2012, 10:18 AM
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That is an interesting pdf.

But it still leaves me with no idea about what type of oils we should use on older cars. For newer ones, no doubt we should follow MB's current recommendations.

It seems that reduced additives like ZDDP in newer oils (to protect catalysts) might be detrimental for older cars. The report says that base IV oils are not good at dissolving additives, but I presume they have a way to do it. Looks like Syntec (Now Edge) may have moved to base III+ to improve performance in older cars, but Castrol don't divulge much about additives. Mobil do, for example in this chart:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
(unfortunately doesn't include Delvac, but this is what Mobil says:
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ZDDP Levels of Mobil Delvac
What are the current ZDDP levels for Mobil Delvac 15W-40? Is it recommended for classic engines with flat tappet camshafts?
-- Corey VanBlarcom, Rochester, N.Y.
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Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40, which meets API CJ-4 performance standards, has a Phosphorus limit of 0.12 wt%. With respect to your question on slider tappets, Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40 meets Cummins CES 20081. This indicates the oil is suitable for use in their midrange engines (with Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel used in the US) which include the ISB and ISC series engines.)
Considering age of our old diesels, I can't get too excited about specific oil. But I do use Mobil 1 - 15W50 or TDT in our W123 300D. And in my old SL summer car, I have recently used High mileage 10W40.

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No, that's not correct. That USED to be the case, but it no longer is. Delvac is Group IV base stock; I believe that TDT is Group III.

Can you please share with us where you obtained this information?
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Can you please share with us where you obtained this information?
The fact that they are not identical oils is obvious from the fact that the information on the two data sheets is not identical. Identical oils would have identical data in all respects.

As to the base stock info, in part it's based on gsxr's comments, in part it's based on the information on the avlube site.
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The fact that they are not identical oils is obvious from the fact that the information on the two data sheets is not identical. Identical oils would have identical data in all respects.

As to the base stock info, in part it's based on gsxr's comments, in part it's based on the information on the avlube site.
HOWEVER, I just talked to someone at AV Lube, and her contention is that anything labeled Mobil 1 is Group IV, whereas the Mobil Sypersyn is Group III.
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HOWEVER, I just talked to someone at AV Lube, and her contention is that anything labeled Mobil 1 is Group IV, whereas the Mobil Sypersyn is Group III.
I would love to see something from Mobil Exxon confirming her "contention". Or have someone from the company tell you that. Until then I'm going to be using Red Line as they use a Group V stock for both their 5w/40 and 15/w40. The TBN for both oils is 9.5. I talked to Dave in technical support at Red Line this morning.

I have used Amsoil in the past, but I'm sick of their Ponzi scheme sales program.
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I would love to see something from Mobil Exxon confirming her "contention". Or have someone from the company tell you that. Until then I'm going to be using Red Line as they use a Group V stock for both their 5w/40 and 15/w40. The TBN for both oils is 9.5. I talked to Dave in technical support at Red Line this morning.

I have used Amsoil in the past, but I'm sick of their Ponzi scheme sales program.
Since you wrote, I just got an email from a tech at Predictive Maintenance Services (the oil analysis side of avlube)...I would trust him more than the woman in sales I spoke to. He confirms that M1 TDT is Group III, Delvac 1 is Group IV. His note in part reads: "... really the advantage for GP4 oils are in the viscometrics as they flow better at severe cold temps and retain their viscosity film at extreme temps. On both the products the additives are similar so for detergency, dispercency(soot control), anti-wear, etc the performance is similar and not too much more to be gained by the Delvac1. Soot thickening is always a concern as it will make the Visc heavy and hinder cold starting flow, but the major concern is abrasiveness of soot carbon and that is best managed by the best glass media filters available for your engine."
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http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Diesel_Motor_Oil_Differences.aspx

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Question: Explain the Differences Between the Diesel Motor OilsI noticed on your web site that the Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 is rated CJ-4. I currently use Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40, which is also rated CJ-4 in my 2008 Chevrolet 2500HD Duramax Diesel. Are these two similar? What's the difference?-- Alikhan Salman, Sherwood, AR

Answer: Both products have different formulations and both exceed API CJ-4 requirements. Either product, however, can be used in your particular engine. Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 is specifically formulated to provide outstanding protection to light-duty diesel-powered passenger vehicles. It also exceeds the requirements of API SM classification for gasoline engines. Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 has been especially formulated for use in all super high performance diesel applications, and has engine builder approvals for the following:

• Cummins CES 20081
• Detroit Diesel Power Guard Oil Specification 93K218, 93K214
• Mack EO-O Premium Plus, EO-N Premium Plus 03
• Mercedes Benz 228.31, 228.3
• Volvo VDS-4, VDS-3, VDS-2
• Deutz DQC III-05

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