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Old 07-26-2012, 02:24 PM
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BAD shock wrecks Tensioner assembly of serpentine belt, OM60x engines

When you hear TAPPING, rattling, knocking.

Before you freak out, thinking critical damage, injectors, rods, injection pump, engine failure, etc...

Please look at the 'Tensioner assembly' for the serpentine belt.

This Tensioner assembly and the shock absorber are COMMON FAILURE items.

The shock absorber has been superseded many times = if you don't have the current level part 99.999% odds the old one is junk.

Attached are pictures of destruction caused by a bad shock absorber.


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Old 07-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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Indeed. I understand the mounting boss can rip out of the timing cover, making for an expensive repair.

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I think Roy can answer this best, Some mechanics here in Houston and a member of this board said that bad engine mounts can cause the shock to overwork itself, HOW??

The entire thing is bolted to the engine, so it shouldnt matter if the engine were sitting sideways, right side up, etc. btw - I got hold of a NOS item for a 350 SD. Strangely the part no on it is the same as my old one
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Just been there and done that. New shock/damper, new spring, new idler pulley, new belt. I hear that some have used an aftermarket arm for $27 from Ferbi ? I got mine from supplier says German Made for $75.
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BTW, I can't see how a bad motor mount would have anything to do with the failure of this part. That just doesn't make any sense.
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Old 07-26-2012, 04:31 PM
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Roy, what's your experience with MB label vs aftermarket (including Febi) damper longevity? I heard MB label lasts proportionately longer based on price vs aftermarket. Also, it seems that across all brands damping ability far exceeds the life of the end bushings.

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I probably read it here somewhere, or maybe in the instructions that came with a new MB brand shock, but you are supposed to work the shock in and out all the way a few times before installing it.
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I probably read it here somewhere, or maybe in the instructions that came with a new MB brand shock, but you are supposed to work the shock in and out all the way a few times before installing it.
Yep, that is what the shop manual recommends. Another item not mentioned relates to the alternator pulley. I have a 96E300d, and the alternator came with a "clutch pulley", which I never heard of. That pulley compensates for the different forces the engine produces during compression. I purchased a new alternator, that came with a regular pulley, and when installed, the shock was working overtime and the belt was vibrating more than usual. Changed out the alternator pulley with the old one, and everything was back to normal, no vibrations whatsoever.
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Yep, that is what the shop manual recommends. Another item not mentioned relates to the alternator pulley. I have a 96E300d, and the alternator came with a "clutch pulley", which I never heard of. That pulley compensates for the different forces the engine produces during compression. I purchased a new alternator, that came with a regular pulley, and when installed, the shock was working overtime and the belt was vibrating more than usual. Changed out the alternator pulley with the old one, and everything was back to normal, no vibrations whatsoever.
The really odd bit is that the same engine is used in the W124 chassis and MB gave a solid pulley on it, its a Bosch 100 or 120A (need to check) alternator and can really lug down the engine. I believe that the last version with clutched pulley should be used even on the W124. The old VW 1.9 diesel had crank timing pulley failures due to a solid pulley design on the alternator.

My posting is because I got hold of a NOS belt shock, its part no. is 604 200 01 14 - which is an old part number and this same was installed on my engine too as OE - the bushings on it went bad, they are loose hence it rattled. Both old and new shock work the exact same way, its very very hard to push in but "relatively" quite easy to pull out. I put in the new item and it also rattles - The rattle goes away if I lever the tensioner arm upwards.

The tensioner quadrant is straight, moves smoothly, the pulley on it rotates smoothly - the spring is intact but I still have rattle,, grrrr - I removed the fan, belt and w/p pulley to access the lower bolt. Is it that the new part no. is hard to move in both directions as to provide a higher level of damping or is it just that the alternator pulley needs to be swapped for a clutch type, which would be my next step.
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The really odd bit is that the same engine is used in the W124 chassis and MB gave a solid pulley on it, its a Bosch 100 or 120A (need to check) alternator and can really lug down the engine. I believe that the last version with clutched pulley should be used even on the W124. The old VW 1.9 diesel had crank timing pulley failures due to a solid pulley design on the alternator.

My posting is because I got hold of a NOS belt shock, its part no. is 604 200 01 14 - which is an old part number and this same was installed on my engine too as OE - the bushings on it went bad, they are loose hence it rattled. Both old and new shock work the exact same way, its very very hard to push in but "relatively" quite easy to pull out. I put in the new item and it also rattles - The rattle goes away if I lever the tensioner arm upwards.

The tensioner quadrant is straight, moves smoothly, the pulley on it rotates smoothly - the spring is intact but I still have rattle,, grrrr - I removed the fan, belt and w/p pulley to access the lower bolt. Is it that the new part no. is hard to move in both directions as to provide a higher level of damping or is it just that the alternator pulley needs to be swapped for a clutch type, which would be my next step.
That "rattle" was something I left out of my other post. When I used the pulley on the new alternator, I got a rattle at idle that I did not have with my old alternator. Put on the old alternator clutch pulley, and the rattle was no longer there.
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I could be wrong but it's my understand that this design of a shock/damper should have equal resistance when moved in either direction like a steering damper.
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o-ring in tensioner arm?

I had exactly this problem and when the bushings wore out on the tensioner arm it managed to back out the pin/bolt that holds it in and the whole thing came off while I was driving. Ordered the arm, shock, pin, and belt from PeachParts and they all appear to be OEM parts. So far so good. The EPC shows an o-ring that looks like it goes between the arm and the washer/spacer. The old arm doesn't seem to have an o-ring and there is no groove for an o-ring in the new one. Does anyone know if that is a design change or does the o-ring just get sandwiched between the washer and the tensioner arm?
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not an o-ring

that isn't an o-ring - its a hard plastic washer. When I replaced the whole assembly in January, I decided that the plastic washer was actually a dust cover that kept dust from reaching the threads of the pivot pin.
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Do you need it?

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that isn't an o-ring - its a hard plastic washer. When I replaced the whole assembly in January, I decided that the plastic washer was actually a dust cover that kept dust from reaching the threads of the pivot pin.
None of the usual on-line parts suppliers have that part number (6062020060) so I'm guessing not a lot of people order it. Do you think it's needed? My old one doesn't appear to have it but then again my old one failed.
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I think that the plastic washer is not needed. There are much bigger fish to fry.
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Just bought a new lever from the dealer 2 weeks ago, $111 w/discount.

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Just been there and done that. New shock/damper, new spring, new idler pulley, new belt. I hear that some have used an aftermarket arm for $27 from Ferbi ? I got mine from supplier says German Made for $75.
Good luck

BTW, I can't see how a bad motor mount would have anything to do with the failure of this part. That just doesn't make any sense.

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